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Old 10-24-2019, 07:03 PM   #99
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I lock my pins for theft reasons. Jeeps aren't the most secure and the keys are in the ignition!

My friend discovered someone pulled the cotter pins from his towbar pins in a restaurant parking lot.
My '14 Wrangler JKU doesn't have a lock on the steering column so the doors are locked and the keys are in my pocket.
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I have had the misfortune in that my toad caught on fire while we were towing it. Locking pins are wonderful when parked particularly over night or what might seem nefarious places, however during actual towing should something go wrong having to find your key or deal with some sort of combination to separate your toad from coach, you will revel in that one less step so I am for checking, not locking.
With all due respect, but if my MH was burning up I probably wouldn't want to be too close to it. We have a DP and, since we have a residential fridge and not a propane one, the most likely place for a fire to start would be in the engine compartment. Since there's only a few feet from the engine to the toad, if there was an engine fire I would probably let the toad fend for itself. It's insured, as is the MH.
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Old 10-25-2019, 08:25 AM   #101
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With all due respect, but if my MH was burning up I probably wouldn't want to be too close to it. We have a DP and, since we have a residential fridge and not a propane one, the most likely place for a fire to start would be in the engine compartment. Since there's only a few feet from the engine to the toad, if there was an engine fire I would probably let the toad fend for itself. It's insured, as is the MH.
Good point however if there was a decent chance I would try and in this case my toad was smoking and I wanted separate it from my DP. It was not down to seconds but not having to fumble for a key, I pulled the pin and drove my motor home forward. Again when I am stopped and AWAY from my coach I lock my pin because I am usually in my toad and I don’t want the tow bar taken with my bikes on it but when I am on the road I make the point of checking it before I roll and I have a few spare pins just in case someone is being an ass. Unfortunately life has plethora of calculated and in calculated risk....I was a lineman, if the voltage did not kill me the fall would just as most of us would run back into a burning building for their cat.....it’s a good thing to be able to choose your risk then to have one thrown at you.

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I have had the misfortune in that my toad caught on fire while we were towing it. Locking pins are wonderful when parked particularly over night or what might seem nefarious places, however during actual towing should something go wrong having to find your key or deal with some sort of combination to separate your toad from coach, you will revel in that one less step so I am for checking, not locking.

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I'm for everyone doing what makes them happy. There is no wrong or right both work. But just to keep clarity here.

The Key for the Blue Ox locks is a barrel lock with a locator notch on the key.

https://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-Locks...BWTS51235.html

I keep the key attached to my JEEP key, also one on the Coach keys and the other four are in a box in the coach. So it is in my pocket all of the time. Can't start the car without it. Never a problem and as folks have said it doesn't really take any longer to unhook with the locks. We all know that the angle on the bar in relation to the pins binds the pin and causes more problems unhooking than the time difference between getting a keyed lock undone and using the snap pin locks.

If it's that time sensitive that I need Earnhardt's pit crew to get it off it will just have to burn with the coach or the other way around. But with them locked and the key in my pocket I know the tow isn't leaving me except for a mechanical of some kind.
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I'm for everyone doing what makes them happy. There is no wrong or right both work. But just to keep clarity here.

The Key for the Blue Ox locks is a barrel lock with a locator notch on the key.

https://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-Locks...BWTS51235.html

I keep the key attached to my JEEP key, also one on the Coach keys and the other four are in a box in the coach. So it is in my pocket all of the time. Can't start the car without it. Never a problem and as folks have said it doesn't really take any longer to unhook with the locks. We all know that the angle on the bar in relation to the pins binds the pin and causes more problems unhooking than the time difference between getting a keyed lock undone and using the snap pin locks.

If it's that time sensitive that I need Earnhardt's pit crew to get it off it will just have to burn with the coach or the other way around. But with them locked and the key in my pocket I know the tow isn't leaving me except for a mechanical of some kind.
.....that’s a good idea to keep your keys together like that though it has happed to me so believe me when I tell you that when someone pulls up beside you trying to wave you over to tell you your toad is smoking and then you look in your rear view mirror to check unless your training yourself for this test the first thing you do is pull over, jump out, run back and see what is happening with my DP still running. As you said if it was that time sensitive I would just walk away but again I don’t lock my tow bar while rolling but if I did I would take a tip from you and keep that key in my pocket.

I won’t state the make of the car but having a 5 speed manual transmission, the vehicle not more than 3 months old with enough play in it to shift into gear after hitting a bump as was suspected, I was pulling in gear for perhaps a couple of miles before being discovered and my drive train started smoking.

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.I won’t state the make of the car but having a 5 speed manual transmission, the vehicle not more than 3 months old with enough play in it to shift into gear after hitting a bump as was suspected, I was pulling in gear for perhaps a couple of miles before being discovered and my drive train started smoking.WDK
Not a good plan by no means. So what are you doing to prevent this from happening again? BTW you should name the car so others are aware of this issue. No car should pop into gear no matter how hard of bump it hits.

Just made a deal on my second JEEP Grand Cherokee. Quada Trac 4 x 4 is the only answer as far as I'm concerned. Start the car, foot on the brake, shift into N, depress indented small button right behind the shifter, hold a few seconds until red light goes from blinking to solid, release the button, shut the car off, place trans into P, restart the car to insure it is in P and Bob's your uncle it is in tow mode. Then we check lights and see that the JEEP's four wheels are turning freely by moving the coach a few feet. After the drive, start the car, foot on brake, shift into N, depress the button and wait for the "Clunk" (that's the transfer case re-engaging), shift into P and disconnect. Both processes take less than 20 seconds.

25 k miles on the 2017 JEEP behind two coach's and not one problem.
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.....I won’t state the make of the car but having a 5 speed manual transmission, the vehicle not more than 3 months old with enough play in it to shift into gear after hitting a bump as was suspected, I was pulling in gear for perhaps a couple of miles before being discovered and my drive train started smoking.
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What ended up being the damage to the vehicle?
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Not a good plan by no means. So what are you doing to prevent this from happening again? BTW you should name the car so others are aware of this issue. No car should pop into gear no matter how hard of bump it hits.

Just made a deal on my second JEEP Grand Cherokee. Quada Trac 4 x 4 is the only answer as far as I'm concerned. Start the car, foot on the brake, shift into N, depress indented small button right behind the shifter, hold a few seconds until red light goes from blinking to solid, release the button, shut the car off, place trans into P, restart the car to insure it is in P and Bob's your uncle it is in tow mode. Then we check lights and see that the JEEP's four wheels are turning freely by moving the coach a few feet. After the drive, start the car, foot on brake, shift into N, depress the button and wait for the "Clunk" (that's the transfer case re-engaging), shift into P and disconnect. Both processes take less than 20 seconds.

25 k miles on the 2017 JEEP behind two coach's and not one problem.
I brought a brand new GMC Terrain with an automatic transmission with the insurance money. The toad was totaled with over 19,000 in damage. The drive train was fried and burned hole through the engine.

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I brought a brand new GMC Terrain with an automatic transmission with the insurance money. The toad was totaled with over 19,000 in damage. The drive train was fried and burned hole through the engine.

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You never said the brand of the fist faulty tow. Or I missed it someplace.
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Not a good plan by no means. So what are you doing to prevent this from happening again? BTW you should name the car so others are aware of this issue. No car should pop into gear no matter how hard of bump it hits.

Just made a deal on my second JEEP Grand Cherokee. Quada Trac 4 x 4 is the only answer as far as I'm concerned. Start the car, foot on the brake, shift into N, depress indented small button right behind the shifter, hold a few seconds until red light goes from blinking to solid, release the button, shut the car off, place trans into P, restart the car to insure it is in P and Bob's your uncle it is in tow mode. Then we check lights and see that the JEEP's four wheels are turning freely by moving the coach a few feet. After the drive, start the car, foot on brake, shift into N, depress the button and wait for the "Clunk" (that's the transfer case re-engaging), shift into P and disconnect. Both processes take less than 20 seconds.

25 k miles on the 2017 JEEP behind two coach's and not one problem.

You are lucky, I have a 2017 Grand Cherokee and have had the death wobble three times. We are. concerned enough that we now tow a Ford Edge. Here is more info on the subject.
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Private message me if you want to know....and it has happens before....same make and model.

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