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12-20-2017, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarab0088
It's just like flat towing...but, unlocking the steering is only required for the Eze-Tow or other fixed frame dolly.
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That's wrong. On the Demco there is no need to have the steering unlocked.
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12-20-2017, 02:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooperhawk
That's wrong. On the Demco there is no need to have the steering unlocked.
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Errrr, right...the steering being unlocked is ONLY for fixed frame dollies.
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12-21-2017, 08:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarab0088
Errrr, right...the steering being unlocked is ONLY for fixed frame dollies.
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Perhaps you should explain the difference. I'm sure I'm not the only one that is interested.
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US Army Aviation, MACV Vietnam 65-66
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12-21-2017, 08:34 AM
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Pros and cons for fixed frame and swivel. Anyone have any?
Sorry to hijack the thread.
Happy Glamping.
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12-21-2017, 09:25 AM
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We started with a swivel and found that you needed to be careful about sharp turns as it could actually impact the side of the vehicle with the fender of the dolly.
Went to what I think they are referring to as a fixed frame, which has rack and pinion steering, and as long as you get one that is wide enough for your vehicle there is no problem and the steering wheel can remain locked.
We just sold our last Demco that we used for five years. It was a Kar Kaddy III and it was plenty wide. Never a problem.
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12-21-2017, 12:22 PM
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We have a Kar Kaddy II, our EOS doesn't have the clearance to load, hubby now in search of a 4-up trailer.
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12-21-2017, 12:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LynnD
We have a Kar Kaddy II, our EOS doesn't have the clearance to load, hubby now in search of a 4-up trailer.
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Hi Lynn,
That's one to watch so. I have not purchased the EOS yet.
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12-21-2017, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stMH
Hi Lynn,
That's one to watch so. I have not purchased the EOS yet.
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Trading the EOS is not an option!  
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12-21-2017, 01:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooperhawk
Perhaps you should explain the difference. I'm sure I'm not the only one that is interested.
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OK...sorry to confuse.
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Originally Posted by Unplanned
Pros and cons for fixed frame and swivel. Anyone have any?
Sorry to hijack the thread.
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OK, will add this.
A car loaded on a fixed frame dolly negotiates turns just like a flat tow/4 down. The car's steering follows in any turn (see video) and therefore must remain unlocked while towing
Benefits are 3 fold.
1. Much simpler dolly design (no pivot pan and associated mechanicals).
2. Much lower weight without the pivot pan assembly.
3. No risk of dolly fender to car contact in jack-knife emergency or backing mistake.
Con's...you gotta figure how to leave the steering lock unlocked after loading
Often just means leaving a key in the hole...but, as the maker states in the video, less and less new cars come with steering locks.
Operation starts at min7:20
In contrast, a car loaded on a dolly with pivot is simply pulled behind the dolly. The dolly mechanicals pivot for steering (pivot pan or articulated dolly tires).
Pro's...This is the most common type dolly in North America from many makers and is what all the rental equipment companies use. Simple to use with any front wheel drive car with or without steering lock.
Con's...heavier and more complex with the pivot pan or articulated dolly wheels.
Operation starts at min7:09.
Safe travels
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12-21-2017, 02:16 PM
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OK, so that helps. I guess there are actually three types, 1. Pivot Pan, 2. Fixed Frame where the vehicle wheels have to turn, and 3. pivoting tires as in rack and pinion steering.
It just seems to me that the fixed frame has to cause some stress on the towed vehicle. It is mostly horsing the vehicle around, whereas the pivoting wheels offer no stress at all as does the pivot pan.
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12-21-2017, 03:43 PM
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And the pivot pan is not all that complex. Pivot bolt and pan stamping. Brackets for strap winches get welded to the pan instead of the basic body. Considering less body needed under the pan the weight difference may not be as much as some folks think.
Limited swivel action on the swivel pan eliminates fender interference on all but the very wide cars. Something to keep in mind but not a problem for most of us.
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