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10-18-2009, 10:46 AM
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Forest River Owners Club Mid Atlantic Campers
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We have an even brake system by roadmaster in our Saturn. After a few hours of use, I get a signal on the dash that the battery is low. All i have to do is start the car and let it run a short time and the brake system warning goes out. I know the car battery is good. Is anyone else having the same problem.
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10-18-2009, 11:13 AM
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Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Western Montana on the Divide
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I purchased a Roadmaster Evenbrake almost two years ago for my Dodge Dakota toad. It was installed by a professional because I wanted it to be right the first time. We left in the fall for Nellis AFB in Las Vegas and the brake seemed to be working as designed. I didn't unhook the toad until I got to my son's place and when I went to use the brakes the brake pedal went up and down about 3 inches which meant the rotors were warped. So we tore into it and discovered the pads were gone and the rotors were blue. I discovered the brakes would apply whenever I used the exhaust brake but I didn't get a brake applied light in the coach. So on the long down grades the brakes were full applied and it's a miracle they didn't flame. The toad was new with less than 3000 miles so I was upset I had to replace the pads and rotors. Needless to say the Evenbrake was placed in a bay and I ran without an auxiliary brake. I placed an ad in Hitch Trader and sold it and purchased an M&G Air brake system and couldn't be more pleased with the operation. It was an easy install (no electronics)and the operation is fool proof and best of all, proportional and hooks up in about 5 seconds. Upon calling Roadmaster regarding this, I was informed this happens occasionally when using exhaust brakes that activate the coach brake lights, but there was nothing in the instructions warning of this.
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10-18-2009, 09:49 PM
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Winnebago Owners Club Texas Boomers Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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I have an Evenbrake. I used to have a gas coach and just got a new diesel coach. What would the coach brake lights have to do with the Evenbrake? They are not connected toit. The only thing that activates the Evenbrake is deceleration.
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2008 Itasca Meridian, Cummins ISB 350, Allison 3000, Progressive EMS, Supersteer MCUs, Aventa II, Air Force One, Tire Safeguard TPMS, 15,000 BTU roof AC, Blue Ox Tru Center
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10-19-2009, 09:07 AM
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Winnebago Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Weyauwega, WI US
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvtaylor
We have an even brake system by roadmaster in our Saturn. After a few hours of use, I get a signal on the dash that the battery is low. All i have to do is start the car and let it run a short time and the brake system warning goes out. I know the car battery is good. Is anyone else having the same problem.
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We have a Brake Pro we use in our Saturn. I installed a charge line from the coach to the toad that keeps the toad battery at full charge. I am very happy with it.
Don
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10-19-2009, 09:24 AM
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Fleetwood Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I have seen and hear various nightmares with Even Brake and others. The best I've seen so far is the US Gear: Unified Braking System. This brake system is approved by Freightliner and...
Freightliner, Winnebago, Monaco and Workhorse chassis come pre-wired for it.
Unified Tow Brake
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10-19-2009, 09:59 AM
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Winnebago Owners Club Texas Boomers Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Location: Mo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigSkyBob
I purchased a Roadmaster Evenbrake almost two years ago for my Dodge Dakota toad. It was installed by a professional because I wanted it to be right the first time. We left in the fall for Nellis AFB in Las Vegas and the brake seemed to be working as designed. I didn't unhook the toad until I got to my son's place and when I went to use the brakes the brake pedal went up and down about 3 inches which meant the rotors were warped. So we tore into it and discovered the pads were gone and the rotors were blue. I discovered the brakes would apply whenever I used the exhaust brake but I didn't get a brake applied light in the coach. So on the long down grades the brakes were full applied and it's a miracle they didn't flame. The toad was new with less than 3000 miles so I was upset I had to replace the pads and rotors. Needless to say the Evenbrake was placed in a bay and I ran without an auxiliary brake. I placed an ad in Hitch Trader and sold it and purchased an M&G Air brake system and couldn't be more pleased with the operation. It was an easy install (no electronics)and the operation is fool proof and best of all, proportional and hooks up in about 5 seconds. Upon calling Roadmaster regarding this, I was informed this happens occasionally when using exhaust brakes that activate the coach brake lights, but there was nothing in the instructions warning of this.
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Just curious but did they offer any type of reimbursement? If not, I'll be sure and add them to my list of don't buy from companies.
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10-27-2009, 09:45 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrschwarz
I have an Evenbrake. The only thing that activates the Evenbrake is deceleration.
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Is it correct that Even Brake brakes the toad on deceleration? When I go down a grade I deactivate my overdrive to decelerate and on a steep grade I go to a lower gear. I thought that only touching the MH Brake pedal made Even Brake brake the toad.
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10-28-2009, 04:38 AM
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Winnebago Owners Club Texas Boomers Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: Flower Mound, Texas
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The only connection the Even Brake has is to a controller in the Toad. There is no electrical connection between the brake and the motor home. It has no way of knowing when the coach brakes are applied, other than momentum.
Which brings up an interesting question. If riding down a long downward slope using the exhaust brake, it that enough deceleration to activate the brakes? Common sense tells me that it shouldn't, but I don't know for sure. In Dallas, it's hard to test. I'd have to find a hill first!
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2008 Itasca Meridian, Cummins ISB 350, Allison 3000, Progressive EMS, Supersteer MCUs, Aventa II, Air Force One, Tire Safeguard TPMS, 15,000 BTU roof AC, Blue Ox Tru Center
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10-28-2009, 05:41 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Northeast PA
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My Even Brake only activates under significant deceleration. The Pac Brake won't do it, which is just how I like it.
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"In God we trust" to preserve our country and bring our Troops safely home.
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11-01-2009, 02:22 PM
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hillsboro, OR, USA
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I had my Even Brake installed by Roadmaster. Roadmaster replaced my previous system when it failed twice. Both of those installations were done at an RV dealer, and clearly they were not installed correctly.
I have done significant mountain climbing with it and have had no problems.
My settings are at minimum, and the Evenbrake must be properly adjusted on the floor.
After about 20 miles or so, I always stop and check the toad for proper connection and to check the temps of the disc brakes. I only had ONE time when they got hot and that was because I forgot to fully release the emergency brake! It had nothing to do with the Even Brake itself. The roters were smoking hot and fortunately someone behind me saw it, because I would not have known from the rear camera view.
I can see the brakes applied on the Even Brake based on the Even Brake console and I have seen the brakes apply when I have to stop or slow down very suddenly.
No problems on mine for the 1,500 miles I have used it.
Like my previous versions, I suspect that it was not wired correctly.
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11-01-2009, 02:42 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Northern Illinois
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Try unplugging the unit at night and turn off the ignition. You battery voltage may be going low due to electrical drain from accessories being left on all night. Also, have a load test performed on the battery, it may be getting weak.
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11-02-2009, 07:35 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrschwarz
The only connection the Even Brake has is to a controller in the Toad. There is no electrical connection between the brake and the motor home. It has no way of knowing when the coach brakes are applied, other than momentum.
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It's amazing the tricks the mind plays. Having read the manual twice I still had in mind the Even Brake was getting its cue from the MH brakes. Finally, I get it.
Oddly enough our first ever trip with the toad and Even Brake is to Dallas in December.
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11-02-2009, 07:42 AM
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Senior Member
Freightliner Owners Club Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Milledgeville Ga.
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Not sure what all it does, but mine has a wire attached to the brake light switch. The manual says something that this is how the unit knows when the brake lights activate.
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2000 Winnebago Journey
2006 Ford Explorer 4X4
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11-02-2009, 07:57 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Northeast PA
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Question:
Although my Edge doesn't, some TOADs require the Even Brake to be connected to the TOAD's brake switch (as explained by Wizard). If, in that type of installation, the TOAD's brake lights are also connected to the MH so they illuminate with the MH's brake lights, is it possible there be some kind of feedback to the Even Brake, making it actuate the TOAD's brakes also?
If so, if the MH's brake lights illuminate with a Pac Brake, I can see a TOAD's brakes being applied when the Pac Brake causes the MH's brake lights to illuminate.
This is only an easily understood question, not any sort of alert or facetious comment.
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Bob & Peg - 2011 Phoenix Cruiser 2552S
"In God we trust" to preserve our country and bring our Troops safely home.
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