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Old 06-03-2013, 11:49 PM   #1
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GVWR, GCWR, Class IV hitch and a jeep

im new to the toad arena. We have a Thor Palazzo, its' GVWR IS 26klbs and GCWR IS 30klbs. The Jeep is about 4.3klbs... am I over GCWR already and I havent even loaded up the family yet? I know the MH isnt carrying the full weight of the toad... or should I focus more on the MH weight on each axles. How do you go about weighing your MH and toad and your calculations to figure out the MH are balanced and within weight limits, especially with the toadmin mind. TIA.
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I posted my opinions on this yesterday but then deleted it because I didn't want to come across as any type of an expert since I'm developing a bad reputation on this forum for posting idiotic advice but since I see that you're not getting any immediate responses, I'll run it by again and hopefully you'll get more responses. Please take what I say it in the spirit it is given and know that I am not a expert at any of this.

One thing you may be misunderstanding about GVWR is that it is the maximum weight that the manufacturer assigns to that vehicle for safe operation. It's just that, a rating. The weight of the motorhome without cargo and your family aboard will be substantially lower. So that 26,000 lb. GVWR represents the weight that that the motorhome shouldn't exceed when all the people and cargo are on board.

Same with the GCWR. It is the maximum weight that the combination of both vehicles shouldn't exceed.

It appears that if you in fact were to load your motorhome to its maximum weight (or its GVWR) and your jeep weighs over 4,000 lbs as it weighs in its towable condition, then, yes, you'll be slightly over your GCWR. And again, GCWR is a maximum "rating" or the weight that the combined total weight of both vehicles together should not exceed.

So, what your goal would be is to load your motorhome so it stays below its GVWR. In other words, you will want to make sure to be several hundred pounds under the mothohome's GVWR so as not to exceed its GCWR when you have the toad attached.

That's the basic premise. Hopefully now others will give you more information pertaining to hitch ratings, tongue weight (not much on a toad which I think you were implying), how to balance the load, and how to weigh your motorhome and motorhome and toad, etc.

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The basic rule is that the combined weight of the motorhome and whatever you tow cannot ever exceed the GCWR. In terms of the specs, you can tow the difference between the GVWR and the GCWR (4000 lbs), but if your actual motorhome weight is under its GVWR than you could tow a greater weight IF the tow bar is also rated greater than 4000 lbs.
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Thanks Guys,

I guess the real question is what is the weight of my coach empty? I can calculate how much weight I put in there so I know not to come close to GVWR. Time to call the manufacturer for this or go down to a cat scale... at this point I have no idea what weight Im dealing with. Again, thanks guys!
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Hi Redridge,
Keeping this simple, if it was me, I'd load the coach just as it would be when traveling. Hitch the toad and go to the scale. Once you have the weights, if needed you can make adjustments.
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Forget the UVW and go to a scale. Then you can add/subtract from there.
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OK, to the scale it is. Thanks!
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I suggest you LOAD your motorhome, as you would for a trip, including the family, and THEN take it to the scale. That will eliminate any need for estimates and guessing.

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im new to the toad arena. We have a Thor Palazzo, its' GVWR IS 26klbs and GCWR IS 30klbs. The Jeep is about 4.3klbs... am I over GCWR already and I havent even loaded up the family yet? I know the MH isnt carrying the full weight of the toad... or should I focus more on the MH weight on each axles. How do you go about weighing your MH and toad and your calculations to figure out the MH are balanced and within weight limits, especially with the toadmin mind. TIA.
Our 33.1 has a GVWR of 26,000, GCWR of 30,000. Had it weighed at Gaffney (fully loaded) at 22,380.
My Jeep GVWR is 5,400 (fully loaded)
Give me some to play with.
The hitch is rated at 10,000 (rated not what you can actually tow).
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