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Old 05-29-2012, 07:54 PM   #1
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Honda Corporate Discussion

A few weeks ago I sent an email to Honda Corporate letting them know that they need to do something about making it easier to tow the CRV EX-L with the Navigation system by either making the 7.5 amp fuse easier to pull and replace or coming up with a on/off switch. They called me today. I told Todd about the aftermarket toggle switch available from Canada and he said unless Honda approved it, I would not be covered under warranty if it caused a problem. He did say his report on our discussion would be forwarded for possible product improvement. Perhaps in a few years they will change the fuse location or install a on/off switch.

I tow mine less then 4 hours and the battery needs to be jumped. What about the rest of you?? I believe this problem is only applicable the CRV with the Navigation System.
Good thing I just bought a Jump Starter.

Is there an easier way to pull/replace the fuse.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:06 PM   #2
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No car manufacturer is going to install a switch that would be used by the less than 1% of owners who tow the vehicle.

Run a 12v charge line from the MH to the toad through a 6 pin connector and you won't ever have flat toad battery troubles. And no switches or fuses to pull either.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:17 PM   #3
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Pretty much standard in the car industry. Same thing happens to our '05 Ody when I tow it four down. The Ody is not towable four down.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:35 PM   #4
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I would suggest fixing the battery discharge concern as bdickson stated or install a battery disconnect switch to stop the 12 volt draw.

The more often the battery goes dead the sooner it will need to be replaced. The first 2 years the battery will be covered by American Honda 100% then it will be prorated for the remainder of it's warranty.
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Joe:

I'm impressed that Honda Corp. actually responded to you. Speaks well. I Had the same problem with our 2012 CR-V w/Navi. Dead within six hours every time. As you and others already know, the fuse is in a terrible location. If you don't mind a do-it-yourself project, you can install your own own switch for under $10 and less than 30 minutes effort.

I purchased a small rocker switch and a fuse holder at a local automotive store and used two very small spade terminals to plug into the fuse block. The fuse is a mini-size so you may have to take precautions to insulate the two very small spade terminals from touching each other. Check out the space requirements ahead of time. (perhaps others may have a better solution for the fuse block connection). Most of the time was spent to cut in the small rocker into an existing blank switch plate located at the3 bottom of the dash to the left of the steering wheel. You can carefully pry the blank plate out of the dash to install the smaller rocker switch into the blank and then simply reinstall the blank with the incorporated switch and wiring connections. Once installed, you can hardly notice the black switch in the black plate.

I kept the ignition switch turned on all night long to simulate towing. The car started as if there were zero drain on the battery the next morning. I couldn't be happier with the arrangement.

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Pretty much standard in the car industry. Same thing happens to our '05 Ody when I tow it four down. The Ody is not towable four down.
What did he say?
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What did he say?
Honda dropped factory support for 4 down towing of all vehicles except CRV and Fit
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Joopy,
I actually started on one after seeing the one out of Canada, but decided that in the event I didn't get it set right and ended up frying the fuse block plus maybe even more I'd be out a lot of money for repairs. I asked Todd if I used something like that if I would be covered under warranty, the answer ofcourse was NO. I plan on going to my Honda Dealer and ask them to show me how to pull/replace the fuse. The lower panel between the wheel and door looks like it is supposed to be removed for access to the fuse block, guess I'll find out at the Dealer.
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When we first bought our 07 CRV with NAV and started to tow it, we had some intermittent problems with a dead battery after a short tow time. Even though everything seemed good to me, I did have the battery checked and found it was defective. It was replaced under warranty. Since then (4 years) the only time we have had an issue was due to operator error. We do make certain that the NAV screen is completely off, and the AC, radio, et al are off. We use a classic Brake Buddy and we have started to plug it into an auxiliary power supply when in use, not so much to save the battery but because I was told the 12V plug really was not robust enough to plug the BB into. We have towed for 6 or 7 hours with no battery issues, but to be honest, that is a rare occurrence. We are typically of the out by 9, in by 2 crowd when traveling. Good luck.
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I stopped by the Honda dealer and asked the Service Folks to please show me how to remove the Nav. fuse. I was right, the panel is removeable. It took the poor guy a while to remove it. He wanted to be real careful so as not to break one of the white push in connectors. I think with practice I could do it quicker.
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Installing a switch on a fuse panel is hardly rocket science. If you don't feel up to it, take it to a shop that can do automotive electrical work. Of course Honda won't warranty it if you or a shop technician messes it up - they wouldn't warranty it if you cross-threaded a lug nut when changing a tire either. You can mess up removing the panel or pulling the fuse too.
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:14 PM   #12
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Look for a device called TOWED CHARGE

Or if you do not have an aux braking system (or if you have one of those box in the driver's seat systems) try the Invisible Brake (Roadmaster) or Unified brake decelerator (US-Gear) both charge the towed.
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:21 PM   #13
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Yeah, you're right Gary, I think I tend to be more hesitant as I'm getting older. I just got a survey in the mail today from Honda on my recent discussion with the gentleman from Corporate. They asked what they could do to help solve my issue. I was surprised at this request. So I asked them to look into the RVing Fuse Switch out of Canada as a Honda approved solution for towing the CRV with the Nav system. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:09 PM   #14
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Toad-Charge Towed Vehicle Battery Charger & Maintainer Kit - RV Power Supply

I installed one of these problem solved.
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