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Old 02-09-2015, 02:03 AM   #1
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Honda CR-V vs Chevy Sonic as toad

For weeks, I've been waffling back and forth on which toad to buy to pull behind my 2015 Winn View. I sold my wife's Prius when I found out it wouldn't tow 4-down and I bought a 2013 Chevy Sonic. The Sonic, though ideal for the job will also now have to double as a commuting car for my wife but after owning it for just 24 hours, we discovered driving the Sonic is about as exciting as watching paint dry...she absolutely hates it.

I've been reading a lot about the Honda CR-V (EXL) It weighs 700 lbs more than the Sonic (3400 vs 2700). and it appears to be as comfortably equipped as my wife's Prius was. But I'm a bit concerned about how it would handle behind my 11,300 pound Winnebago View.

I need someone to weigh in with pros/cons of the CR-V. If much of what I hear is positive, I will return the Sonic to Carmax tomorrow (I am within my 5 day return window) and I will buy a CR-V instead. Thanks all.
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Old 02-09-2015, 02:09 AM   #2
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I'm assuming you are talking about a 2014 or earlier CRV - the 2015 is not towable 4 down😡.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:21 AM   #3
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I'm assuming you are talking about a 2014 or earlier CRV - the 2015 is not towable 4 down😡.
Yes, I should have clarified that...2013 Honda CR-V EXL
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For weeks, I've been waffling back and forth on which toad to buy to pull behind my 2015 Winn View. I sold my wife's Prius when I found out it wouldn't tow 4-down and I bought a 2013 Chevy Sonic. The Sonic, though ideal for the job will also now have to double as a commuting car for my wife but after owning it for just 24 hours, we discovered driving the Sonic is about as exciting as watching paint dry...she absolutely hates it.

I've been reading a lot about the Honda CR-V (EXL) It weighs 700 lbs more than the Sonic (3400 vs 2700). and it appears to be as comfortably equipped as my wife's Prius was. But I'm a bit concerned about how it would handle behind my 11,300 pound Winnebago View.

I need someone to weigh in with pros/cons of the CR-V. If much of what I hear is positive, I will return the Sonic to Carmax tomorrow (I am within my 5 day return window) and I will buy a CR-V instead. Thanks all.
Well, I'm going to quote and respond to my own posted inquiry. Since I've had much time to think about it, I think I can provide my own answer.
Over the last few hours, I've done a bunch of research on this subject and I am slowly coming to my senses on this. My MAJOR concern is the weight factor so I think I am about to answer my own question here: My GVWR is 11,030 lbs. the CR-V is 3500 lbs... my wife and I and the two dogs total 420 lbs. that is 14,950. Unfortunately, my GCVWR is 15,250 which leaves me with only 300 lbs and still have to add in fuel, propane, bicycles, clothes, food, BBQ (some water in tank) and the list goes on...looks like we are keeping the Sonic. It affords me an additional 800 pounds buffer for those above listed incidentals. Hmmmm, spelling it all out like this was very therapeutic.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:42 PM   #5
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I've been happy towing a Chevy Aveo (Sonic predecessor) with my 16,500 lb/Chevy 454 cid chassis. Don't even know it's there. It does cost me about 1/2 mpg.
Couldn't comment on your comparison request because I only have the one reference point. The Honda is a better quality car with more room, but for short runs the Aveo is fine for me and the DW.
P.S. I leave the back seat home in the garage - two bolts and the back seat is out providing lots of room and less weight. (My Aveo is the hatch back model)
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I didn't realize that the GVWR included the toad! I thought that was only the weight of the MH and cargo! The toad is rolling behind the MH and certainly wouldn't be putting the full weight of the toad on the MH! Am I wrong here?

BTW, we love our 2013 CRV EX-L AWD!
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I didn't realize that the GVWR included the toad! I thought that was only the weight of the MH and cargo! The toad is rolling behind the MH and certainly wouldn't be putting the full weight of the toad on the MH! Am I wrong here?

BTW, we love our 2013 CRV EX-L AWD!
Yeah guys...I wish you were wrong, but, it's not only about the downward weight, of course you have limits posted for your axel maximums too, but it's also about the total weight load to pull...coach gear, people and toads. You big 30-40+ footers can pull a brick and mortar house behind you if you desire. Though I have a 25 1/2 ft diesel, it's only a 4-banger 188 hp power source. The foot pounds and the fact it's diesel is the only thing that saves us...a little. My wife was shocked to hear the motor in the MH is pretty much the same size as her Chevy Sonic (size only of course)

As I've posted, I'm pretty much resigned to the fact 2700 lbs is as much as I want to play with. If I pushed for the CR-V, I will pretty much max out and I don't want us at a point where I have to split hairs in such a way we have to carry only 2 or 3 beers in the fridge vs a 6 pack...to keep the weight down...I'm joking of course, but I'm sure you get my point.
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I didn't realize that the GVWR included the toad! I thought that was only the weight of the MH and cargo! The toad is rolling behind the MH and certainly wouldn't be putting the full weight of the toad on the MH! Am I wrong here?

BTW, we love our 2013 CRV EX-L AWD!
It doesn't. The GCWR includes whatever you are towing, but the GVWR is the max for the MH alone.
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I just got the information below from the FMCA website. Looks like I was right, that GVWR does NOT include the weight of the toad!

GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating): the maximum permissible weight of the fully loaded motorhome, including liquids, passengers and cargo. The GVWR is equal to or greater than the sum of the unloaded vehicle weight (UVW) plus the net carrying capacity (NCC).
GCWR (gross combination weight rating): the value specified by the motorhome manufacturer as the maximum allowable combined weight of the motorhome and the attached towed vehicle.
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I don't think I would worry about that as long as you have a good toad brake sys and the tow hitch is rated above the toad. A real simple to install and highly rated system is the RVI2 toad brake and it's hard to beat the Honda CRV .
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I just got the information below from the FMCA website. Looks like I was right, that GVWR does NOT include the weight of the toad!

GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating): the maximum permissible weight of the fully loaded motorhome, including liquids, passengers and cargo. The GVWR is equal to or greater than the sum of the unloaded vehicle weight (UVW) plus the net carrying capacity (NCC).
GCWR (gross combination weight rating): the value specified by the motorhome manufacturer as the maximum allowable combined weight of the motorhome and the attached towed vehicle.
sorry guys...I read thru your response to my post too quickly. We're all in agreement here...GCWR includes the weight of the toad and the GVWR is of course only the coach and cargo, but my post was about pushing the limits where GCWR is concerned...that is my issue and I thought that was what MS Happy Campers was referring to.

If I decided to pull a CR-V, I certainly would have no problem installing an effective toad braking system...I would never go out on the road with a toad without one. I already priced the Stay-In-Play vacuum assisted system. Pricey...yes, but my concern is safety, as I'm sure you can all tell by my past profession. I'm sure I could pull a CR-V behind my View, take my time in the right lane and use low trannie grs to assist slowing on 7 percent descents and so on, but, It would always be in the back of my mind, should something happen, be it my fault or not, I should have limited my toad weight and maybe there would have been a different outcome...besides, there are mandated state highway laws to contend with not to mention warranty related issues. With all that said, that is why I've decided to stick with the ugly, boring, wife irritating Chevy Sonic I've spent the better part of the day working on her over the phone (out of slapping reach) that she'll eventually learn to love the Sonic...I also explained to her, the $10K difference we would have to pay for the CRV of the same year as the Sonic will go towards more traveling...That may have taken me out of the dog house with that statement alone.
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Donut, I bought a 2013 Sonic also from Carmax with towing it behind my mh as a factor. I bought the hatchback with auto trans. I find it can be fun to drive, but don't expect it to be a road rocket. Using manual does help some, but just not the same as a stick. My wife had a CRV and I hated the thought of driving one. I was pleased when she decided to trade it. Good luck. Ps, the CRV is not an exciting drive either.....
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I don't really mean to muddy the waters anymore than they already are, but have you considered towing a Chevy Captiva? It weighs about the same as the CRV, similar in size and shape, is flat towable with automatic transmission, gets about the same mileage as the CRV, and has more pep when driving it, especially if you get one with the small V6 in it. We wanted a CRV until we test drove a Captiva.
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The CRV is one of the most popular TOADs. Must be a good reason.
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