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Old 07-15-2015, 06:54 AM   #15
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Many (most) have laws requireing supplamental brake assist on toads. ...
Keep in mind this is issue is not controlled by the state of registration...it is based on where the heck you are at. The trick is to know which states you can pull a toad without supplemental brakes legally.

Personally, I think it is pretty smart to use them regardless of how light your toad is or how well you think you have things under control. Break aways happen and I know that from personal experience.

One other thing to consider it the condition of your toad's front end. I don't know this for a fact but common sense tells me that if you slam on the brakes for your MH that the full force of your toad's mass must be held back by the tow bar. Someone with a physics degree might be able to come up with the amount of force being thrown at your coach and tow bar system is but I bet it is a lot even if you are running a light weight toad.

Here is the other thought along those lines. If the tow bar is not level to the ground, what kind of forces does that put on the toad's suspension? Is the toad nose diving? How does that affect your suspension including wheel alignment?

So, aside from the legal requirements, IMHO there are just enough other factors that suggest a supplemental brake system just makes common sense.

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Old 07-15-2015, 06:57 AM   #16
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I towed many years without one but have used one for about ten years now and really like the extra stopping power. Even on our DP with exhaust brakes and air brakes the additional stopping power is noticeable. I have had to disable the current brake system a couple of times and missed being able to use it.

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Old 07-15-2015, 06:57 AM   #17
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Tow a 2700 lb. towed and have SMI Stay n play on it. Whether it is required or not, if there is an accident, the attorney on the other side will be sure to ask why you did not have one.
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Old 07-15-2015, 11:08 AM   #18
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I tow a 3400 lb CRV equipped with Invisibrake. I like knowing that I am legal wherever I choose to drive and that I have done my due diligence. Even 5 feet of shorter stopping distance can make the difference between stopping safely and stopping 5 feet after you have hit something.
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Old 07-15-2015, 11:49 AM   #19
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My 2004 Workhorse owners manual makes a clear statement " When the towed weight exceeds 1,000 pounds, the towing system must be equipped with a separate brake system for the towed load and be activated by the braking application of the towing vehicle. I have a W-22 chassis.

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Old 07-15-2015, 02:25 PM   #20
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I use a braker system and vreak-away with my 4k lb toad. I have done a few emergency stops over the years, and wanted more brakes than I had ...in the worst situation, the idiot who had just pulled closely in front of me before slamming on his brakes got off the brakes and moved on just in time that I did not hit him. I had a trailer breakaway years ago that took the chains along with it when the hitch disintegrated. If your safety chains are attached to the hitch and/or base plate, they may not be helpful depending on what actually happens.
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Old 07-15-2015, 03:00 PM   #21
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Brake Buddy here.
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Old 07-15-2015, 03:59 PM   #22
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When a neighbor, long ago and far away, broke his hitch ball, he had no break-away. The few seconds it took to stop allowed the MH and toad to bounce off each other making about 20 holes in each. A break-away would have braked the toad hard, and not allowed the damage to happen.

When I panic stopped less that 3 feet from the 8 year old girl on the bicycle, with my Brake Buddy making the life/death issue moot, I was made a believer for life. Maybe nobody else has had this experience, but I stopped a lot sooner! The decision is yours. I had a 2300 lb toad at the time. The girl is 12 now.

Just get one. Please.
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Old 07-15-2015, 04:23 PM   #23
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Even if the state you are in does not require an auxiliary brake system and you get into an accident that is your fault the other persons attorney will be all over you. Get the aux system you are better off with it.
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Old 07-15-2015, 04:46 PM   #24
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I'm installing a Ready Brake system on my CRV now. Just need to figure out routing for the cables. Also, there's no excuse for not getting supplemental braking. Look up Ready Brake at Walmart.com. It's cheap. When I told my buddy that I was not using a supplemental braking system he explained to me why that was a terrible idea. I went home and ordered it that night. If you cross into a state that requires it and you don't have it and get into a crash you'll be toast. It will make any cost you would have paid for a system seem cheap. Merely having the system installed and working can save you potentially from both civil and criminal/traffic liability. Not having a system at all leaves you hanging in the wind with no defense and even looking negligent even if the crash wasn't your fault.

Even a basic, functional system will meet the legal requirements. This kit has everything including the emergency breakaway system and dash light for under 300 bucks. Can't beat it.

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Old 07-15-2015, 07:01 PM   #25
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I have the AF1 system and love the ease of hook-up. I know it really helps me stop.
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Stay-N-Play Duo on my CR-V and love it nice to have it when needed
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:12 PM   #27
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Another AF1 user here. Would never tow a vehicle without brakes.

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Old 07-15-2015, 07:27 PM   #28
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I use SMI Stay in Play on a Kia Soul and behind a DP. Bought the Stay in Play when we bought our first MH a Navion IQ. Even though we now have air brakes on the CC MH we now have, the Stay in Play works just fine and I have no plans to change it. The Kia weighs 2700 lb and the accelerometer in the Stay in Play works dandy. Love to see the small led I added between the tach and speedo telling me when it's braking back there. I also added a simple charge line from the coach to keep the Kia battery charged on long trips. I would not consider hooking up without the braking. I flip one switch, put the car in neutral (6 speed stick flat towed) and turn on car to ACC with nothing else on. 10 seconds in car after hooking up blue ox. and we're off!

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