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Old 06-14-2011, 03:57 PM   #15
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Not really, in fact most states do not require aux brakes on a towed.
Seems that over 50% do if you are towing over 3000 lbs, so MOST states do at least according to Brake Buddy... In addition, breakaway brakes are also required in most states... If you travel to those states that DO REQUIRE then you will be "braking" the law if you don't have them. Here is a comparision chart...

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Old 06-14-2011, 04:13 PM   #16
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Not really, in fact most states do not require aux brakes on a towed. There are several sites out there that claim to have the correct info, but in every case I can easily disprove it.
WA, CA, & OR each have "performance specs". If you can stop your combination vehicle from XX mph in XX feet than you don't need aux brakes. Most of the charts I've seen say differently but the state laws say I'm right.
BUT, just as it takes more HP to accelerate more weight it also takes more braking power to stop, just a law of physics and I have brakes on our dolly and I I decide to tow four down I have brakes in the towed also.
Another thing, Federal Law only requires the brakes in an RV to stop the GVWR, NOT the GCVWR. Ford and Workhorse state that towing anything being towed that weighs 1500#'s or more must have supplemental brakes.
Mr D I believe you are only looking at one braking requirement and that's for the RV. You are likely correct that most states don't mandate additional brakes for the tow. I do believe, and I'll reserach it, that most states require brake away systems on tows over X pounds.
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:15 PM   #17
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Brakes on a tow serve two purposes. One to help stop the RV. For many of us, this is not necessary. The other purpose is to stop the tow it it detaches from the tow vehicle. For this purpose, I have an auxcillary braking system, one that serves both brake away and supplemental braking. I use the Air Force One system.
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:27 PM   #18
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We don't use any towing our Grand Vitara, yet. Thanks to this thread I'm now aware that Nevada is one of the few states that requires a braking system on any towed motor vehicles over 1500#. I'll be re-thinking my current situation now.
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:45 PM   #19
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I have a good friend that has a Pace Arrow and does not use an auxillary braking system. His prior RV was a 30' class C and his attitude is "I didn't need it on the class C and I dont need it on the Pace Arrow. I use a Brake Buddy and I can feel the toad brake when I hit the brakes in the coach. I do believe that every little bit helps and I am guessing that I wont have to replace brake pads on the coach as soon as I would have to without the auxillary braking in the toad. I also believe the safety issues outweighs the cost factor.
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I'm sorry if I appear dense, but why would anyone voluntarily increase the stopping distance of their MH/toad combo by refusing to purchase auxilary brakes?

Even if my rig or your rig can handle a routine stop with a brake-less toad, I believe an emergency stop is when I'd really appreciate the extra stopping power

I haven't got any way of predicting an accident, so I'll go ahead and pay a few hundred bucks for my toad braking system and not assume I'm immune to bad luck.
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:10 PM   #21
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When I had a towed, it had brakes.. I majored in Science when I was in college. and I hve great respect for the laws of nature (Physics in this case) and those laws say two things.

1: You may be one of the lucky ones who never needs to stop quickly

2: If you do have to "Stand on the brakes" , having brakes on the towed MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:10 PM   #22
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We installed the MG Engineering air brake system and breakaway kit on our jeep toad and it was probably the best investment ever made. The difference is stopping distance is dramatic. I wish we had installed it sooner.
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I have a friend who towed his Jeep for 6 years without a braking system and never had a problem. He had the SMI Air Force One installed in January and in March the welds on his hitch broke and the hitch dropped off the MH. The only thing that saved his Jeep was the breakaway feature. It may have saved your vehicles if you were one of those who were traveling near him at the time.

Cheap insurance and peace of mind.
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we towed for a a couple of yrs (many yrs ago) without brakes. just plain goofy. our brakemaster system works great and there is a big difference in stopping power. we never roll without! jim
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I have towed with and without aux braking. I have suffered brake fade on long grades even when geared down. I had a panic stop at about 60 miles an hour when I crested a hill to find traffic at a dead stop in front of me. Never again will I tow without an aux brake.
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Even though my toad is only 2,500# ( Honda Fit) I have a braking system. Money is nothing compared to the cost of an accident!

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Ive traveled over 25 years; in a motorhome towing; put on more than 300,000 miles, have yet to meet someone that has brakes in his toad.
Are you talking to anybody else? In my 17 years of motorhome travel, I've only encountered a handful who didn't have aux brakes, mainly small utility Jeeps and old Saturn cars.
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Seems that over 50% do if you are towing over 3000 lbs, so MOST states do at least according to Brake Buddy... In addition, breakaway brakes are also required in most states... If you travel to those states that DO REQUIRE then you will be "braking" the law if you don't have them. Here is a comparision chart...

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BrakeBuddy incorrectly continues to lump towed vehicles with trailers so they can sell their product.
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