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Old 06-19-2011, 08:22 PM   #85
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We have an SMI Duo system on our Jeep Wrangler. Installed it myself. With our previous MH and same Jeep w/SMI, we had a panic stop once that the SMI saved our butts. I was on the antilock brakes of the MH AND I could feel the Toad PULLING us backwards. Stopped within feet of a cash. Without the SMI, we surely would have had an accident. Now I've never needed it before or since with two MH's. Should I get rid of it? I think not.

These brake discussions always result in the same group of people justifying why the don't need toad brakes. The bottom line is, the more weight you have to stop, the more brakes you need. If you are under your GVWR, maybe your service brakes will be enough but the toad brakes certainly won't hurt. Over GVWR, yes you need supplemental brakes. Even with an under GVWR situation, the dynamics of your stop will be improved with toad brakes and you will stop in a shorter distance in a panic stop.
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I tow a Honda Fit 4- down and even though it is a very light car ( 2,500# ) I have a brake system. If it even stops me 10 feet shorter in an emergency then it is worth it!

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Old 06-19-2011, 10:42 PM   #87
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Tow Brakes?---absolutely. Never leave home without.
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Old 06-19-2011, 11:11 PM   #88
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I have seen towing setups that were uneven as much as 12". If they don't have auxiliary tow brakes, forget the stopping distance, what happens to the car on a panic stop? The inertia of the moving car has to keep the toad moving forward. If the toad doesn't go over or under the hitch, what happens to the tow bar, tow brackets, etc from the forces? Ours friends hitch broke off their MH in March. I wonder if 7 years of towing and stopping without auxiliary tow brakes contributed to the failure?
Probably not. Poor maintaince and not inspecting the equipment was more than likley the main problem.
Also, anyone that tows with an uneven hitch is a fool and is asking for trouble. You just have to hope they won't hurt someone else in their stupidity.
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If your combined weight is well below the rated GCVWR, braking without toad brakes should be no problem. To cavilierly state that all toads require a suplemental braking system is patently foolish.
To state that if you're under the GCVWR and don't need add'l braking is foolish also.
Spartan says the Federal Law requires the braking system to stop the GVWR and nothing more. The braking systems on RV's are designed ONLY to handle the GVWR, since they have no way of knowing how much your towed will weigh. Ford and Workhorse state the ANYTHING being towed that weighs 1,500#'s OR MORE requires supplemental breaking.
BTW, in CA, WA and OR the requirement is to stop in XX feet from XX mph, if you can do that then you don't need add'l braking. However I've had two dollies and both had brakes. I've also towed our Ody and Jeep and had sup. braking on them too.
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Theres been a big debate about red light camers all over the country these days;
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If someone runs a red light and T bones you; is your brake system going to help you?
I have never had an accident but I was T boned in my motorhome once (I don't know how that is classified) $18,000 repair.
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If someone runs a red light and T bones you; is your brake system going to help you?
What in the world does this have to do with toad brakes?? Toad brakes won't help you if a tree falls on your motorhome or if it is caught up in a forest fire either, but that neither negates nor affirms their worth.

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Also, anyone that tows with an uneven hitch is a fool and is asking for trouble.
Maybe not a fool, just unknowledgeable, or unaware of proper setup. Some don't research things as much as we do, unfortunately.
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What in the world does this have to do with toad brakes?? Toad brakes won't help you if a tree falls on your motorhome or if it is caught up in a forest fire either, but that neither negates nor affirms their worth. Rusty
Good question... I was wondering also, but afraid to ask.
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Maybe not a fool, just unknowledgeable, or unaware of proper setup. Some don't research things as much as we do, unfortunately.
AGREED.
Thats also why I bought the Motorhome that I have. It has a combined gross vehicle weight rating to easily handle towing of any sort. I didn't just happen to decide to tow something and hook it up and off I go. It's the same with the toad. I wanted something that was light yet safe, that was not going to put everything at it's max.
I pass lots of Motorhomes going up grades dragging an overweight anchor behind them. It doesn't look like much fun.
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Carry on without me. I'm leaving in the AM for Big Bear Lake. Toad and all !
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Carry on without me. I'm leaving in the AM for Big Bear Lake. Toad and all !
Drop off the '33 Three Window at my house, I'm up very early!
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Drop off the '33 Three Window at my house, I'm up very early!
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I'd love to, but I'm leaving before that. Maybe next time.

OH BOY, I just looked you up and your only a few miles from me. Did I forget to mention the concertina wire, pit bulls and armed guards and ADT Protective services.

Just in case I forget to drop it off !!

Do you ever go over to the Saturday am Car Show at the Theater in La Canada ?
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