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Old 05-21-2013, 09:53 PM   #15
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Sometimes I think the "authorities" will say that just to rid themselves of any liability or blame even if they have never bothered to prove if the car can or cannot be towed. I mean, if they say, "Don't do it" then they are off the hook completely. If they say, "Yes you can do it", they carry some blame or liability if things go wrong. It's just easier to say, "Don't do it" regardless of the capabilities or configuration of the car. In short, I don't trust them...but I have nothing to stand on to contradict them, so I'm at their mercy. A car manufacturer stands to gain almost nothing by certifying their car for flat towing so why would they bother to tell us that it's ok?
I'd agree, if it was most other car makers, but this is Jeep -- which certifies almost all of its models and transmissions for flat towing, and is well aware that it's a selling point. So when they say "don't tow this one," I tend to figure they have their reasons.

Haven't researched this in depth, but because they tend to allow or not allow towing depending on drivetrain (must have a transfer case that can be put in neutral), I wonder if they just didn't equip Patriots with that type of drivetrain in 2007 (which I think was its first year)? Worth a thought.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:56 PM   #16
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I'd agree, if it was most other car makers, but this is Jeep -- which certifies almost all of its models and transmissions for flat towing, and is well aware that it's a selling point. So when they say "don't tow this one," I tend to figure they have their reasons.

Haven't researched this in depth, but because they tend to allow or not allow towing depending on drivetrain (must have a transfer case that can be put in neutral), I wonder if they just didn't equip Patriots with that type of drivetrain in 2007 (which I think was its first year)? Worth a thought.
Good point. It was a general statement. VW told me I can't tow my 1996 Jetta std tranny car four down. I think they are full of crap...I'm doing it anyway. IMO, they have just never taken the time to know for sure it CAN be done so they just say it can't.

I think I'd be looking for a newer Patriot anyway so it looks like I'd be ok with those.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:32 PM   #17
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I would like to revisit this topic. After consulting the dinghy towing guide for 2013 vehicles... we went looking at manual transmission 4wd Jeep Patriots. Various salesmen researched the question of whether this vehicle was indeed flat towable... with various responses. When we were ready to lock in a deal we approached a local dealership who contacted the factory reps and were told this vehicle is definitely NOT towable. Back to square one. :( Since we received so many conflicting "opinions" I am torn about looking again. We also considered the Subaru Crosstrek... same concern.. nothing positive stated in the owners manual and the factory rep apparently says NO. Is anything in the dinghy guide believable???!!!
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:40 AM   #18
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Is anything in the dinghy guide believable???!!!
Based on your experience, a guy has to wonder huh.

It's unfortunate that the "authorities" on weather or not a vehicle is flat towable will never tell you why. They just have a rubber stamp and they don't know what it means or why. IMO, there is simply no added value in a manufacturer to say that their vehicle is flat towable and thereby taking on some level of liability for that action.

It's really too bad that we have to rely on sales people for information about new cars. In my experience they either flat out don't know or are just full of BS. IMO I never put any degree of faith in what any sales person has to say about anything. Their purpose is to sell stuff, that's it.

I digress...it is unfortunate that so many manufacturers either don't produce flat towable vehicles or if they do, they don't even know they do it seems because they won't tell you it's ok to do so. As with so many other things, a person has to become the expert on the subject and make his own choice. VW tells me not to tow my 5 speed Jetta (1996) with four down. I tow it all over the countryside with no issues what-so-ever! IMO, they just want to wash their hands of the issue, possible because of what some people will read into as being THEIR responsibility when they leave the car in gear and blow up the engine or leave the steering locked and blow off the tires...I can't so much blame them really. The number of cars they would sell BECAUSE they are certified flat towable compared to their liability isn't worth the risk. If this is the case, I guess, in a way, we, as the consuming public, have done it to ourselves.
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