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Old 03-06-2012, 11:13 AM   #15
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My '12 Unlimited Sport is really easy so I guess I can't be of help to you but perhaps my comments would help someone else in the future who was wondering, as did I, of the process.

I just put the tranny in N (with the engine running), shift the transfer case to N, then shift the tranny back to P, turn off the engine and take off. No mess, no fuss. Also, my odometer didn't register any miles, a bennie I hadn't expected.
I believe the engine should be off (not running) per the following instructions in the Jeep manual:

"Damage to the transmission may occur if the transmission is shifted
into PARK with the transfer case in NEUTRAL (N) and the engine
running. With the transfer case in NEUTRAL (N) ensure that the
engine is OFF prior to shifting the transmission into PARK."
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:28 AM   #16
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I believe the engine should be off (not running) per the following instructions in the Jeep manual:

"Damage to the transmission may occur if the transmission is shifted
into PARK with the transfer case in NEUTRAL (N) and the engine
running. With the transfer case in NEUTRAL (N) ensure that the

engine is OFF prior to shifting the transmission into PARK."
Check above and you will note that I said to turn it off and then take off. Unless you are referring to when I go through the process prior to hooking it up. I just got back from my Jeep dealer and he said it is BEST to have the engine running when going through the process. I asked him because I wasn't able to shift the gears without the engine running and didn't want to force the gears. So all I know is what I did, and that he said what I did is correct. So I guess I'm at a loss to explain the differences. Are we saying the same thing or something different? Could it be that there is that difference between your model year ('11) and mine ('12)?
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Dan, I thought the '11 Wranglers didn't have locking steering columns? Why are you disconnecting the battery?
I know, mine doesn't lock, but...as stated so many times on these forums, follow what your owner's manual says. My '11 owner's manual states to tow, "place ignition to ACC position and shift automatic trans into Park, manual trans into Neutral." then, "Disconnect negative battery cable". The first time I towed it I put the key in ACC and towed the next time, after realizing that there is no column lock, I towed it without the key in. Both worked fine, but now I realize I probably do not need the auto disconnect.
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I know, mine doesn't lock, but...as stated so many times on these forums, follow what your owner's manual says. My '11 owner's manual states to tow, "place ignition to ACC position and shift automatic trans into Park, manual trans into Neutral." then, "Disconnect negative battery cable". The first time I towed it I put the key in ACC and towed the next time, after realizing that there is no column lock, I towed it without the key in. Both worked fine, but now I realize I probably do not need the auto disconnect.
Yeah, unfortunately the Owners Manual has some errors, but the User Guide has different instructions. (Reminds me of our Fleetwood Manual, lol.)
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I have read on a Jeep forum, and I believe it's in the manual, that the transmission should be in 1st gear. I don't recall the reason, but there was one, and I'm just passing the info on FWIW.


Hi Bob......I also recall reading that....and that an automatic should be in " park ". I have an automatic tranny....I just have a mental issue with leaving it in park while Im towing. I do tranny & T/case in neutral.....so far so good....... ( knock wood )
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Check above and you will note that I said to turn it off and then take off. Unless you are referring to when I go through the process prior to hooking it up. I just got back from my Jeep dealer and he said it is BEST to have the engine running when going through the process. I asked him because I wasn't able to shift the gears without the engine running and didn't want to force the gears. So all I know is what I did, and that he said what I did is correct. So I guess I'm at a loss to explain the differences. Are we saying the same thing or something different? Could it be that there is that difference between your model year ('11) and mine ('12)?
I believe we are saying something different. The instructions I quoted in my previous post do refer to the process you're going through to hook up, and were taken from the 2012 manual available here: My Jeep: Jeep Owners Service Manuals - 4x4 SUVs, Sports Utility Vehicles, Off Road , which happen to be the same for the 2011s

When I have trouble shifting the transfer case without the engine running, I start the engine, shift the auto trans from park to neutral, then back to park. I then turn the engine off and attempt to shift the transfer case to neutral. Sometimes I do have to go through the above procedure a couple of times, but that isn't happening as much now as when it was new. I think (hope) in time I won't have to do it at all.

For warranty purposes I personally don't want to take a chance of doing something different than what's in the manual, regardless of what a dealer might say. I also realize the manual says to disconnect the negative battery cable, which I don't do, but I don't see that as a major warranty issue compared to transmission or drive train issues.

Of course YMMV, and it's possible that it doesn't really make any difference. Safe travels
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don-deb I know it sounds wrong to have the transmission in park but with the transfer case in neutral you have essentially disconnected the drive shaft. With the tranny in neutral you will have some drag on the gears and they will be spinning with no lubrication, that is the reason for placing the tranny in park.
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BobGed,

Yep, we were talking about a different process. As you stated, the manual - how can I say this? - sucks as far as directions in this regard are concerned. The bit with the disconnect of the cable is completely irrelevant for the '12 models as is a good bit of the rest of the LONG set of steps to take. The only thing that concerns me about what you said is the engine on or off part so I will have to try your method to see if that works. If it does - and it never has thus far - I may consider using it after again checking with my service man.

I went to see him this morning to ask if the clicking sound I hear when shifting the transfer case was normal and he said oh yeah, it talks at you quite a bit. Does yours do the same?

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don-deb I know it sounds wrong to have the transmission in park but with the transfer case in neutral you have essentially disconnected the drive shaft. With the tranny in neutral you will have some drag on the gears and they will be spinning with no lubrication, that is the reason for placing the tranny in park.

I was under the assumption that if the transfer case was in neutral ....the tranny was NOT spinning.....that the connection between the two.... was in neutral. I can see where you can damage the tranny.... if it is spinning without lubrication.....now I wonder.....maybe I have just been lucky.
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it is disconnected and not spinning at full speed but there is some drag between the shaft and tranny causing some spinning of the gears inside the tranny
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I went to see him this morning to ask if the clicking sound I hear when shifting the transfer case was normal and he said oh yeah, it talks at you quite a bit. Does yours do the same?

Denny
I don't know that I would describe it as a clicking sound, but I think your serviceman is correct on this one as it definitely does make a noise.
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this is straight out of my 2006 Jeep Manual (auto trans)

CAUTION!
It is necessary to follow these steps to be certain that
the transfer case is fully in N (Neutral) before
recreational towing to prevent damage to internal
parts.

1. Depress brake pedal.
2. Shift automatic transmission into N (Neutral) or depress clutch pedal on manual transmission.
3. Shift transfer case lever into N (Neutral).
4. Start engine.
5. Shift automatic transmission into D (Drive) or manual transmission into gear.
6. Release brake pedal and ensure that there is no vehicle movement.
7. Shut the engine off and place the ignition key into the unlocked OFF position.
8. Shift automatic transmission into P (Park).
9. Apply parking brake.
10. Attach vehicle to the tow vehicle with tow bar.
11. Release parking brake.

CAUTION!
Damage to the transmission may occur if the transmission
is shifted into P (Park) with the transfer case
in N (Neutral) and the engine running. With the
transfer case in N (Neutral) ensure that the engine is
off prior to shifting the transmission into P (Park)
(refer to steps 7 8 above).


I have 2 keys. I leave one in the ignition to unlock the steering and I lock it in. I've never had a problem with the battery on the jeep going dead.

I have a copy of the above instructions in the RV and another copy in the Jeep and I make sure I follow it every time. So far everything has been fine.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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My main complaint against Jeep's instructions is that step #10 should be #1. My Jeep is never going to be disconnected from my coach while the transfer case is in neutral, and only being held in place by the parking brake.
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No one has mentioned pulling the IOD fuse under the hood. My 07 steering does lock so I do have to leave the key on ACC when towing. The IOD fuse stops battery drain. Obviously, this is not needed on 08 and later JK's.
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