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Old 09-05-2013, 04:19 AM   #29
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I got a question on dollies. I've been told they are really not a 'trailer' as looked at by various States (but this probably varies) and do not required a registration and licence plate. Is this correct?
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A lot of good stuff provided in previous posts.

Cheapest seems like a dolly. Suggestion to rent one and try it. Rigging the lights is very easy to do.

I had a dolly and while there is the advantage of switching cars it was a PITA for me. One of my wheels jumped out of its secure tiedown straps and I was in an extremely difficult situation wherein I had to call a tow truck and the police to assist me. I contribute my problem to user error for not having the strap tied down properly. So it was my fault and the incident was preventable. Many people tow with a dolly for many thousands of miles without any issues.

I have 2 toads now configured with blue ox base plates and using a ready brake now and it takes me < 1 min to disconnect and <90 seconds to connect. It took much longer with the dolly.

The dolly adds to the towed weight. Have you checked your GCWR and your actual road configured wt (by weighing) your coach. I think the dry wt on your coach might be 19200 and GVWR 22000. You are likely OK with a Jetta but it is a good idea to check anyway. Some people put a lot of stuff in the tow car also so if you plan to do this then this weight must be factored into the equation also.

Good luck on whatever option you go with. I often don't take any toad with my present RV, but never took my DP's without a toad. It now depends on the trip.
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I got a question on dollies. I've been told they are really not a 'trailer' as looked at by various States (but this probably varies) and do not required a registration and licence plate. Is this correct?
Illinois requires a license plate. They consider it a trailer. Of course, Illinois considers anything that moves a vehicle. I'm surprised they don't require plates on bicycles.
EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong on the above. I just looked at the statute for Illinois and it appears that tow dollies are exempt :Any converter dolly or tow dolly which merely
serves as substitute wheels for another legally licensed vehicle. A title may be issued on a voluntary basis to a tow dolly upon receipt of the manufacturer's certificate of origin or the bill of sale;
That said, towing a dolly without a licensed vehicle on it would subject you to a citation.
Full details here:http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...62500050K3-402
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I got a question on dollies. I've been told they are really not a 'trailer' as looked at by various States (but this probably varies) and do not required a registration and licence plate. Is this correct?
GREAT QUESTION!! Like I said previously, each state sets the rules for the vehicles from that state.

For you (from your avatar info) Per Michigan State Police: Tow Dollies
"Tow dollies are two-wheeled towing devices used to transport vehicles by supporting one axle on the dolly, with the other axle on the road. A 1985 agreement between the Michigan State Police and the Michigan Department of State considers them as "coupling devices" rather than trailers in Michigan. The Michigan Department of State will not issue a registration plate for a tow dolly. Do not stop vehicles or issue citations for failing to display a registration plate on a tow dolly."
See: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ms...e_203934_7.pdf


While traveling outside your state, you have to ensure that the places you visit honor "reciprocity" on these license, equipment and safety rules. All the Western coast states (CA, OR, and WA) honor reciprocity, so come visit the coast sometime! I have not yet found any that do not honor the origin's rules...anybody?



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Thanks Scarab. I figured Mi was that way from the people in Mi I've talked to on the subject (dolly sellers). Was more curious about other States I guess, but you did confirm. Not surprised the Socialist State of Illinois requires plates But at least they don't with a licenced vehicle on it (which I have to believe most States will do).

Anyway, I'm not going to worry about reciprocity over a dolly plate. If Mi says I don't need one, I can't get one and they can go pound salt It's highly doubtful I would ever pull a dolly light in any other State other than Mi anyway.
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[QUOTE="clyon51;1715638"]Thanks Scarab. I figured Mi was that way from the people in Mi I've talked to on the subject (dolly sellers). Was more curious about other States I guess, but you did confirm. Not surprised the Socialist State of Illinois requires plates But at least they don't with a licenced vehicle on it (which I have to believe most States will do).

Anyway, I'm not going to worry about reciprocity over a dolly plate. If Mi says I don't need one, I can't get one and they can go pound salt It's highly doubtful I would ever pull a dolly light in any other State other than Mi anyway.[/QUOTE

Other states honor registration and drivers license from other states. The thing that is not honored is rules of the road. Traffic laws, brakes, lighting on vehicles, speed limits, etc. If I don't require toad braking system in WY I can be cited for it in CA for example. They wouldn't cite me for no registration on a tow dolly if not required in my home state but would cite me for inproper lighting on a tow dolly even if that wasn't required in my home state.
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I just checked Uhaul requirements for renting their tow dolly. They require operational lights on the towed vehicle loaded on the dolly. You may want to re check your local laws just to be safe. I only mention that because I worked as LEO for almost 30 years.
I cannot find this point described(?).
U-Haul: Tips: Tow Dolly User Instructions

It clearly states lights on towing vehicle and dolly must work...nothing about the loaded vehicle.

Also, I cannot find any requirement for additional lighting on a dolly carried car for CA, OR, WA or any of the Western States and of course there are no write-ups for what IS NOT required. I have used my dolly with only its lights for many thousands of miles...if there is an actual reference, I would love to see it.



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I think it would give him a good idea of how loading the car and securing the vehicle tires would work.
Arch: I think you missed this in my post!!
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They don't fold and, as I said, very heavy so not a really good test but would give you some idea of how they work.
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While traveling outside your state, you have to ensure that the places you visit honor "reciprocity" on these license, equipment and safety rules. All the Western coast states (CA, OR, and WA) honor reciprocity, so come visit the coast sometime! I have not yet found any that do not honor the origin's rules...anybody?



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As a WA resident I can say the above is wrong. No reciprocity on equipment or brakes between any state. Drivers and vehicle licenses: yes. Equipment: no.
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As a WA resident I can say the above is wrong. No reciprocity on equipment or brakes between any state. Drivers and vehicle licenses: yes. Equipment: no.
WA state statutes seem to disagree with this:
Chapter 308-99 WAC: VEHICLE RECIPROCITY
Chapter 308 allows it...
And...
RCW 46.85.060: Declarations of extent of reciprocity, when
Out of state vehicles have 6 months reciprocity
And blanket reciprocity...
RCW 46.85.080: Automatic reciprocity, when.

Example in the case of my state: If a Texan with dark tint on his/her pick-up window came to CA ( where any non original equipment tint is forbidden) the tint is not a equipment violation.

If this is not the actual spirit of WA laws, then I have been very lucky in the past
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I cannot find this point described(?).
U-Haul: Tips: Tow Dolly User Instructions

It clearly states lights on towing vehicle and dolly must work...nothing about the loaded vehicle.

Also, I cannot find any requirement for additional lighting on a dolly carried car for CA, OR, WA or any of the Western States and of course there are no write-ups for what IS NOT required. I have used my dolly with only its lights for many thousands of miles...if there is an actual reference, I would love to see it.



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If I was still working in CA and I saw you driving during night time hours without additional lighting I would have cited you for cvc 24604 : lamp or flag on projection. Any projection over 4 ft must have flag or lighting. However, during the day the red color of toad tail light would probably qualify as flag. I suspect you can't find the section in your own state because of looking in wrong area. On equipment violations you just have to install or repair problem and show proof. Some agencies charge for the inspection after repairs are made. JMHO
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If I was still working in CA and I saw you driving during night time hours without additional lighting I would have cited you for cvc 24604 : lamp or flag on projection. Any projection over 4 ft must have flag or lighting. However, during the day the red color of toad tail light would probably qualify as flag. I suspect you can't find the section in your own state because of looking in wrong area. On equipment violations you just have to install or repair problem and show proof. Some agencies charge for the inspection after repairs are made. JMHO
OK, here you go. Oregon section 816-290 and Washinton section 46.37.140 and section 46.37.020 Washington specifically states 4 ft Oregon just states end of load lights. If I spent enough time I suspect I could find the section in every state. Without those lights if someone does run into you and injured you risk a big law suit. A cite would probably just be a fixit cite and inpection fee if any. JMHO
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Well, actually I did see that but thought it would be a good idea to rent because he would see the worst case situation and also discover it would be best to carefully select one he may then buy to avoid the problems of the rental unit.
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Didn't mean to start a war here. It's very clear one state cannot change another states laws regarding vehicle registration and display of plates. Ohio and Mich are good examples. Ohio requires front plates, Mi does not. Ohio is not going to turn you at the border to go back to Mi to get a front plate

Laws like this would impede inter state commerce and travel. So since $$ are involved, it ain't going to happen, let alone it just isn't right.

Speed limits and other operational laws are no-brainer as they deal with traffic safety and we all know these vary state to state. It's just common sence. We all know there is a limit as to how much something can hang behind a vehicle without a flag or light. Yes this distance may vary a bit, but if you have something there, a LEO is not going to take his tape measure out

Trailer brakes are addressed across all states to some form or another, many more restricted than others, so common sence here comes into play again. I've pulled a trailer with questionable weight all over and no doubt in violation in some places. My experience is State LEOs are more tuned into 17 year olds in a Focus doing 90mph with a cell phone hanging out of their ear than a 65 year old couple in a 40 footer, doing 60mph pulling a towd. I doubt most LEOs would know what to look for anyway as they wiz by you doing 75. I say set yourself up safe and don't sweat the little things.
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