Go Back   iRV2 Forums > MOTORHOME FORUMS > Toads and Motorhome Related Towing
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-27-2015, 02:05 PM   #43
Senior Member
 
bruceisla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: St. Lucie West, FL
Posts: 5,112
I still can't figure out whose baseplate was installed.

If you look at the 32 second mark, I don't see any holes drilled in the frame. The holes (bolts) would be as shown on this Blue Ox baseplate.

__________________

__________________
2005 Newmar Essex 4502, 2013 Caddy SRX
1997 HR Endeavor 37, CAT, 1996 Geo Tracker
bruceisla is online now   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 01-27-2015, 02:06 PM   #44
Senior Member
 
96 Wideglide's Avatar
 
Holiday Rambler Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 3,218
You would think if he had his safety cables attached, that front end should be dragging behind the coach .
__________________

__________________
Ben & Sharon
2008 43' Holiday Rambler Scepter PDQ
96 Wideglide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 02:09 PM   #45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Southern Ohio
Posts: 645
Like I said on another thread, these baseplates are never tested prior to production start up. There's no way the companies could do extensive testing on all the models they build.

When a new car comes out, all the baseplate manufacturers find vehicles somewhere and fabricate a mounting scheme based on years of experience but no testing is performed. Then they start manufacturing them and selling them. Testing is done by the first customers.

This incident and the subsequent recall are an example of this process. Hard to tell from the photos, but it looks like something on the vehicle came apart.

On my Ford CMax I noticed that the installation attached to some very thin frame sections. I added reinforcements in those areas to prevent the too-small washers from pulling through. I also eliminated the ancient technology split lockwashers, banned by the SAE 40+ years ago.
__________________
John McKinley
2007 Damon Daybreak 3060, Ford 16,000# Chassis,
Ford C-Max Hybrid Toad , Suzuki V Strom 1000cc
jmckinley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 02:13 PM   #46
Senior Member
 
bruceisla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: St. Lucie West, FL
Posts: 5,112
After looking thru the Roadmaster installation manual I'm beginning to think it's half of a Roadmaster install ... without the subframe braces.
__________________
2005 Newmar Essex 4502, 2013 Caddy SRX
1997 HR Endeavor 37, CAT, 1996 Geo Tracker
bruceisla is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 02:16 PM   #47
Senior Member
 
dennis45's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: BC
Posts: 6,452
Quote:
Originally Posted by okgc View Post
Look again at the Roadmaster instuctions. A Roadmaster baseplate is bolted to the FRAME also. Same as BlueOX.
We'll sort of. Look at fig K & W. In the Roadmaster doc. Four bolts to the end of the frame flange to hold the baseplate to the frame.
Now, let's say the installer did not use (or have) the brackets talked about in the Demco Bulletin, what do you think would happen after a few hundred miles of pulling force on the four bolts?
In looking at both Roadmaster and Demco installation, I get the impression that they use the same basic design but Roadmaster supplies the extra braces seen in Fig M & N which would prevent the baseplate from rocking and causing the bolts to loosen.
This would really make a hell of a good campfire debate.
__________________
Dennis & Carol
2003, 4006, 41' DutchStar, Spartan, ISC 8.3L W/BanksPower - 2013 Honda CRV, BlueOx Baseplate, Aventa Bar & Patriot Brake. And the 04 Bird, Sunshine Car.
dennis45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 02:38 PM   #48
Senior Member
 
hdossett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: N. Central AZ
Posts: 539
From... Chevrolet Equinox LT AWD - Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

...the Equinox is a unibody design rather than the separate frame and body of the Explorer and TrailBlazer. Basically, it's a tall car...


Brother has a CRV and the baseplate bolts pulled through the unibody steel. I like a real frame!

H
__________________
'01 National RV Tropi-Cal, Ford V10, '01 Suzuki GV 4X4 Blue Ox Tow Bar,300 Watts Solar, 2500 Watt '458' Inverter, NO TVs, Most light fixtures upgraded to LEDs

hdossett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 02:41 PM   #49
Senior Member
 
rgvtexan's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: NE WA or S TX
Posts: 2,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by 96 Wideglide View Post
You would think if he had his safety cables attached, that front end should be dragging behind the coach .
I am thinking that the photos were taken after he had disconnected the front end from the tow bar. He then dove the 2 miles back to find the car. The tow bar is a Demco Excalibar in the stored position. The base plate looks very much like a Demco, but all the bolts and side plates and the 2 L brackets are missing.
__________________
04 Horizon QD, 12 Ford Flex, Excalibar, Brakemaster, Winter Texan, RVin! since 1974
Norm, Donna & Tinker Kat 74 MGB-GT, 75 MGB, 01 Z3
Life is a Timed Event, you only get One Go Around!
rgvtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 02:42 PM   #50
Senior Member
 
aauummm's Avatar


 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Altoona, Iowa
Posts: 1,588
Very good find! That explains it. Demco is providing extra frame supports for it's baseplate because of past failures.
__________________
2010 Itasca Sunova 33C, mucho mods
2011 Honda CRV, 2004 Rubicon (mucho mods)
aauummm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 05:52 PM   #51
Senior Member
 
Pds47's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Holiday Rambler Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tucson AZ
Posts: 260
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChasA View Post
I'd like to know why the baseplate was 2 miles away and not still attached to the towbar.
me too
__________________
Paul & Megan 2007 Neptune XL 36 PDQ REK Bilsteins, KarKaddy,mini cooper, W/ Bear and Sedona
Pds47 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 05:58 PM   #52
Moderator Emeritus
 
smlranger's Avatar


 
Country Coach Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Glen Allen, VA
Posts: 7,264
Blog Entries: 1
My comment is about what the driver said on the news video.... after he heard a noise, he 'turned on his rear view camera and saw that his car was not there'. I never turn my rear view camera off while underway since I use it like my rear view mirrors....I glance at it often. Now, looking at the camera monitor would not prevent an improperly installed baseplate from failing but I think he may have gotten some sort of notice of things were going bad if he had his monitor on.
__________________
'07 Country Coach Allure 470 Siskiyou Summit #31578, Cummins ISL 425; 2014 Ford F150 toad; Air Force One Toad Brake.
Glen Allen, VA; Smith Mountain Lake, VA.
smlranger is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 06:09 PM   #53
Senior Member
 
terry735001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,158
Blog Entries: 11
keep in mind that the guy as much as we can tell had every thing installed some where else and he did not do the work him self ..

no matter what every one may think if he was told to use it this way i dont see why he would know any better

when you pay some one else to do the work right and hope its right there is not need to keep looking every 10s to make sure the car is still back there

yes even i can look at it and see the tow bar was not installed right but i think we should be more looking for how installed it and where not to go to for work on are units ?
__________________
terry735001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 06:13 PM   #54
JDL
Senior Member
 
JDL's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Lafayette, LA
Posts: 242
Quote:
Originally Posted by smlranger View Post
I never turn my rear view camera off while underway since I use it like my rear view mirrors....I glance at it often. Now, looking at the camera monitor would not prevent an improperly installed baseplate from failing but I think he may have gotten some sort of notice of things were going bad if he had his monitor on.
I agree, I use my rear camera to double check as I pass traffic. I turn it down at night, but it is still there. I cannot feel the toad, trailer, or bike rack, so the rear camera is my only "link".
__________________
2000 Monaco Windsor 40 PBSS
JDL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 06:25 PM   #55
Senior Member
 
jacwjames's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 4,597
I agree with previous post, if you look a the video there are no holes drilled into the mainframe of the vehicle that the hitch would have been attached with.

The coach driver didn't sound like he was very savy as to how these are installed as he commented "it mush not have been welded on very well".

I installed the baseplate on my 2005 Jeep myself, I had to dismantle the whole thing in order to gain access to drill the above holes. Also, the safety cables are also not visible, probably because they are a PITA to install. I wrapped my safety cables around the mainframe as many times as I could, which was tough.

I do all the maintenance on my Jeep so whenever I'm doing anything I inspect the entire setup including the safety cables.
__________________
Jim J
2002 Monaco Windsor 38 PKD
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee w/5.7 Hemi
jacwjames is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2015, 06:55 PM   #56
Moderator Emeritus
 
RickO's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Litchfield Park, Arizona
Posts: 10,530
Quote:
Originally Posted by terry735001 View Post
keep in mind that the guy as much as we can tell had every thing installed some where else and he did not do the work him self ..

no matter what every one may think if he was told to use it this way i dont see why he would know any better

when you pay some one else to do the work right and hope its right there is not need to keep looking every 10s to make sure the car is still back there

yes even i can look at it and see the tow bar was not installed right but i think we should be more looking for how installed it and where not to go to for work on are units ?
I agree and I don't think many folks are pointing a finger at the driver. There are a lot of great technical observations for those of us interested in those things.

As for keeping the rear monitor on... I always have and I may not look at it every 10 sec but I'll bet 30 seconds don't go by without me looking at it in a normal "scan" of things. There are many things which can go wrong back there, even when everything is to code.

Rick
__________________

__________________
Rick, Nancy, Peanut & Lola our Westie Dogs & Bailey the Sheltie.

2007 Itasca Ellipse 40FD
RickO is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Using Truck vs. Car Lanes on Interstate MoHoGo MH-General Discussions & Problems 28 11-27-2014 07:40 AM
My $248 car wash! MSHappyCampers iRV2.com General Discussion 22 10-09-2014 09:31 AM
Pick Up as TOAD, hauling golf car smlranger Toads and Motorhome Related Towing 14 10-06-2014 12:47 AM
Any problems towing a car trailer with a Class A palehorse89 Class A Motorhome Discussions 37 05-28-2014 12:50 AM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.