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Old 01-04-2005, 08:33 AM   #1
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I have a 2000 ford explorer and am inquiring if anyone has the M&G brake system on the toad.
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Old 01-04-2005, 08:33 AM   #2
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I have a 2000 ford explorer and am inquiring if anyone has the M&G brake system on the toad.
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Old 01-04-2005, 11:07 AM   #3
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Journey5, I installed the system on a 2004 Saturn L200 and my 2004 Meridian. Works as advertised. I have some photos on my web site at http://citecn.cnc.net

Click on "Our Rig" and then click at the bottom of the page. If I can answer any specific questions, let me know.

You can call M&G and they will answer any questions also.

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Old 01-04-2005, 12:08 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info, I too am impressed with the info that I have seen on the M&G brake system. I plan on using there system, what components did you use for the light indicator to verify that the unit was functioning properly? I do not plan on using the break away right off. The rain gutter that you installed looks good, I wounder if I wiill need one on a 2005 Journey model. I have one on order.
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:19 PM   #5
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by journey5:
I do not plan on using the break away right off. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Al,

Most all states require the break away system on anyting towed over 2000#. Please be sure to install your break away system and test it at the beginning of every trip.

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Old 01-04-2005, 04:04 PM   #6
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I had the M&G on my 2003 Alero and liked it so much I put it on my 2004 Grand Cherokee.
I don't have a breakaway yet.
I don't have a "red light" indicator, but am interested in putting one in. Where do I get them?
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I purchased the indicator light assembly from http://www.midwayrvspecialties.com, however I chose to run a wire into the coach for the light. Since the supplied light is too large for use inside the coach, I chose a small LED type light at Radio Shack and used it instead.

The light is powered by the toad battery (with a supplied in-line fuse) and I used a vacant pin in the toad wiring harness connector.
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Are you sure of the site address for rv specialities, I'm having difficulties with the address.
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After running a Brake Buddy and then a US Gear unit on my Suncruiser I went with the M&G brake on my Bus. I really like it. It's a very solid, failsafe system and works great. It doesn't relay on decelerometer technology like most others so it won't drag your toad brakes when coasting down a grade with the Jake brake on. It only comes on when you step on the brake pedal, and then it's smooth and proportional. I'm sold on it.
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I installed the M & G on my 2000 Ford Explorer myself. If you have questions, just ask.

I also am the one that came up with the alert light.

If the previous address did not work for you, try:
http://MidwayRVSpecialties.com
(It is not necessarily case sensitive)

The website will explain why I invented the system and how it works.

I am retired and have made this my hobby after RVing, and fishing.

Gotta go, the Tarpon are in.

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I have a question for those that are using the M&G system with their toad. The question relates to the air supply from the bus. On a Class 8 tractor there is something called a tractor protection valve that automatically closes off the air system in the tractor should the trailer separate or its air line become damaged. This valve is designed to prevent sudden loss of air in the tractor brake system. Does this type of protective system exist in the air line linking the bus to the toad's air actuated system? If not, how do you prevent sudden air loss to the bus if the toad separates?
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The only time that the air line from coach to toad is pressurized is when the coach service brakes are applied. I don't know how much air (volume or pressure) is used, but it is a low pressure, and in my opinion, negligible.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cruzer:
After running a Brake Buddy and then a US Gear ...It doesn't relay on decelerometer technology like most others... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Although you said "most others", your statement could lead a reader to think that the USGear Unified Tow Brake is included in decelerometer technology. When, in fact, the USGear brakes are only applied when you activate your coach brake lights. So in the scenario that you made of using an engine brake, the USGear would not drag the brakes either.

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Canuck,

The short answer to your question about a valve is No.

However, addressing the same concerns that you have, when I installed the simple 1/4" tee in the coach back brake air line I did the following test:

With full air pressure with the engine idling I opened the 1/4" line to the toad and then set the service brakes. It took 60 seconds to get the air down to 60 lbs. If you can't get stopped in 60 seconds you are going way too fast. At 1,500 RPM's it would take even longer.

After several minutes, I gave up. Never got the emergency brake to set.

The bottom line is that since the toad air line is so small relative to the rest of the coach brake system and compressor capacity, it is not an issue.

BTW, afterwards I hooked up the toad and took it to a deserted highway and did some panic stops at 70 mph. With the toad brake air line connected it clearly stopped in 25% shorter distance. The black marks on the asphalt left by the coach ABS brakes were mirrored by the toad.

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