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Old 12-30-2011, 06:16 AM   #1
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My New Toad

Here is my new toad:



Okay, before you all laugh you should know:
(1) Street legal in every state
(2) Requires no license to drive
(3) No insurance required
(4) No registration fees, no license plate required
(5) Goes up to 40 MPH
(6) Gets 150 miles per gal.
(7) Easy to carry. No motorcycle rack required, I can carry this just about anywhere in my Class A. I can remove the front wheel and put it in a compartment easy or even carry in the coach.
(8) light to carry, no extra gas to carry it around
(9) Park anywhere for nothing (lock it good!)
(10) It's a blast to drive!!

Just remember: It's a Hobby not a Harley!!
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:32 AM   #2
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Looks like a great ride to me. Did you build it or purchase it that way?
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:39 AM   #3
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Looks like a great ride to me. Did you build it or purchase it that way?
I put it together from an old mountain bike. I bought a 2 stroke engine motorized bicycle kit ($180) and built it myself. It was cheap, I also purchased lights and a helmet.
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I like it!!!!!!!!
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It don't do it for us...

We tow a TJ wrangler.
On the back of the wrangler is qa 4 bicycle carrier.
Purchased but not used yet is a device that will allow my '74 Honda cb750 to be dragged behind along with the bicycles.
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Technically not a toad, more like a ride along.
I've had a couple of rides in the last month where I could have used a little help like that towards the end.
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Technically not a toad, more like a ride along.
I've had a couple of rides in the last month where I could have used a little help like that towards the end.

or a Stowaway

great idea, got a link to the kit?
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Sorry, but your rig won't fly in Massachusetts without a motorcycle license and a plate. Configured as it is, it is a motorcycle in the wisdom of the MA RMV. See definition of a moped below, which is the only motorized vehicle allowed on the highway without a registration. Even if it was a moped it requires a license. Sorry, this is not a very driver friendly state.

According to Massachusetts law, a moped is a "motorized bicycle." In order to be classified as a moped, the vehicle must:
•Have a cylinder capacity of no more than 50 cubic centimeters.
•Have an automatic transmission.
•Be capable of a maximum speed of no more than 30 miles per hour.
•Comply with all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards.

A moped sticker, issued by the RMV, must be affixed to the moped. This sticker will not be issued unless the vehicle meets the above requirements.

Operating Requirements

Moped operators are subject to the traffic laws, rules and regulations of the Commonwealth.

Mopeds will have the right to use all public ways in the Commonwealth, except limited access or express state highways where signs prohibiting bicycles have been posted.

Mopeds may use bicycle lanes next to various ways but are excluded from off street recreational paths.

Moped operators must signal their intention to stop or turn by using either hand.

Mopeds may keep right when passing a motor vehicle which is in the travel lane of a way.

Restrictions When Operating a Moped

Mopeds will not be operated:
•By any person under 16 years of age.
•By any person who does not have a valid license or permit.
•At a speed greater than 25 miles per hour.
•Without the operator and any passenger wearing a DOT standard helmet.
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^^ Same for New Jersey ^^

That is a Moped here and would require a drivers license, registration, insurance and lights. The guy up the street had one to get around and was busted by the police.

Other then that I do like them. Reminds my of a vintage JC Higgins Bicycle.

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Demoon--Thanks for the heads up for the laws in Mass. I will certainly be careful if I'm in that state. My home state in CA, I'm not currently a full timing so I don't get to Mass. very often. I will just have to be careful depending on which state I ride. I have a helmet and I put a mirror on it to make it look legal and I don't ride like nut in front of cops. I put lights on it after this picture was taken. It's true my bike has a 66cc/2 stroke engine with a boost bottle so it does go faster than 30MPH but I don't usually ride it at the top end.

Bob: I didn't know about NJ. I live in CA and I know CA does not classify this as a moped or scooter. It is called a "motorized bicycle". Below are the relevent CA state codes:

406 CVC (California Vehicle Code) provides the general definition of a
motorized bicycle. 24015 CVC says that a motorized bicycle must comply
with federal safety standards. 24016 CVC details more requirement for
safety standards, equipment, driver requirements and seller
requirements. It also points you to requirements in the Federal Code of
Regulations which you can find on the internet. As long as the
motorized bicycle complies with all of these requirements, then it can
be ridden by anyone over 16 years old without a driver license. The
rider would have to follow all of the rules that a bicyclist would. If
it does not comply with all of the requirements, including the federal
code of regulations, then it is classified as a motor driven cycle which
would require that the rider have a driver license with an M2 motorcycle
endorsement.

If you made the motorized bicycle, then you will have to look at all of
these codes, especially the federal codes, very carefully. If you
bought it from a dealer and it has the federal safety decals on it
verifying that it complies with the federal safety standards and you
haven't modified it, then you are pretty safe in assuming you can ride
it without a license. But, since you probably couldn't tell if the
decals are real or fake it is best to read all of the codes and see if
you are in compliance. Attached below are the California codes
mentioned above for reference.


406. (a) A "motorized bicycle" or "moped" is any two-wheeled or
three-wheeled device having fully operative pedals for propulsion by
human power, or having no pedals if powered solely by electrical
energy, and an automatic transmission and a motor which produces less
than 2 gross brake horsepower and is capable of propelling the
device at a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on level
ground.
(b) A "motorized bicycle" is also a device that has fully
operative pedals for propulsion by human power and has an electric
motor that meets all of the following requirements:
(1) Has a power output of not more than 1,000 watts.
(2) Is incapable of propelling the device at a speed of more than
20 miles per hour on ground level.
(3) Is incapable of further increasing the speed of the device
when human power is used to propel the motorized bicycle faster than
20 miles per hour.
(4) Every manufacturer of motorized bicycles, as defined in this
subdivision, shall provide a disclosure to buyers that advises buyers
that their existing insurance policies may not provide coverage for
these bicycles and that they should contact their insurance company
or insurance agent to determine if coverage is provided.
(c) The disclosure required under paragraph (4) of subdivision (b)
shall meet both of the following requirements:
(1) The disclosure shall be printed in not less than 14-point
boldface type on a single sheet of paper that contains no information
other than the disclosure.
(2) The disclosure shall include the following language in capital
letters:
"YOUR INSURANCE POLICIES MAY NOT PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR ACCIDENTS
INVOLVING THE USE OF THIS BICYCLE. TO DETERMINE IF COVERAGE IS
PROVIDED YOU SHOULD CONTACT YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY OR AGENT."

24015. (a) Motorized bicycles shall comply with those federal motor
vehicle safety standards established under the National Traffic and
Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966 (15 U.S.C., Sec. 1381, et seq.)
which are applicable to a motor-driven cycle, as that term is defined
in such federal standards. Such standards include, but are not
limited to, provisions requiring a headlamp, taillamp, stoplamp, side
and rear reflex reflectors, and adequate brakes.
(b) In addition to equipment required in subdivision (a), all
motorized bicycles operated upon a highway shall be equipped with a
mirror as required in subdivision (a) of Section 26709, a horn as
required in Section 27000, and an adequate muffler as required in
subdivision (a) of Section 27150.
(c) Except as provided in subdivisions (a) and (b), none of the
provisions of this chapter relating to motorcycles and motor-driven
cycles, as defined in this code, shall apply to a motorized bicycle.


24016. (a) A motorized bicycle described in subdivision (b) of
Section 406 shall meet the following criteria:
(1) Comply with the equipment and manufacturing requirements for
bicycles adopted by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (16 C.F.R.
1512.1, et seq.) or the requirements adopted by the National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration (49 C.F.R. 571.1, et seq.) in
accordance with the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of
1966 (15 U.S.C. Sec. 1381, et seq.) for motor driven cycles.
(2) Operate in a manner so that the electric motor is disengaged
or ceases to function when the brakes are applied, or operate in a
manner such that the motor is engaged through a switch or mechanism
that, when released, will cause the electric motor to disengage or
cease to function.
(b) All of the following apply to a motorized bicycle described in
subdivision (b) of Section 406:
(1) No person shall operate a motorized bicycle unless the person
is wearing a properly fitted and fastened bicycle helmet that meets
the standards described in Section 21212.
(2) A person operating a motorized bicycle is subject to Sections
21200 and 21200.5.
(3) A person operating a motorized bicycle is not subject to the
provisions of this code relating to financial responsibility, driver'
s licenses, registration, and license plate requirements, and a
motorized bicycle is not a motor vehicle.
(4) A motorized bicycle shall only be operated by a person 16
years of age or older.
(5) Every manufacturer of a motorized bicycle shall certify that
it complies with the equipment and manufacturing requirements for
bicycles adopted by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (16 C.F.R.
1512.1, et seq.).
(c) No person shall tamper with or modify a motorized bicycle
described in subdivision (b) of Section 406 so as to increase the
speed capability of the bicycle.
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In WA a moped can't be capable of going faster than 30 mph so the OP's is a "Motor-driven cycle.
Must comply with minimum insurance requirements.
As a motor driven cycle a WA resident would need a motorcycle endorsement, out of state wouldn't.
Needs to comply with all required motorcycle equipment, possible even requiring a license plate.

This is kind of like carrying a flare gun, some people think they are not considered a gun, but in WA they are as an explosive propellant is used to expel the projectile.
You need to check the laws for every state you go into, just because something is legal where you live doesn't mean it is everywhere!
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Okay, before you all laugh you should know:
(1) Street legal in every state
(2) Requires no license to drive
(3) No insurance required
(4) No registration fees, no license plate required
!

I like it and would not mind one when I can afford it.. Mine does not go quite that fast, nor does it use gas.. (it just uses ME)

However, Items 2,3 and 4 above... I would be a bit careful there,, I believe it is a vehicle under the Michigan Vehicle Code, which does require all of those, plus one more item... But that said. I'm not a lawyer, police officer, or judge, and I know with vehicles in this class many officers are a bit...er... confused.
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or a Stowaway

great idea, got a link to the kit?

Hey:

I would be happy to tell you where I bought it but I don't recommend you get it there. You see, I live in CA and CA state law prohibits sending 2 stroke engines into the state because the leftist government here claims that 2 stroke engines are bad for the environment. It is very difficult to find someone to send 2 stroke engines to CA and most of the best places won't. I finally found a place based in CA to send me one from ebay. It cost $135 + $30 shipping ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/80cc-2-Cycle-Engine-Moto-Kit-Motorized-Bicycle-Bike-/180718449655?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp= mtr&hash=item2a13a8b3f7 ) It comes without a kill switch so I ordered a new throttle with the kill switch attached from Pistonbikes.com for $20 ( http://www.pistonbikes.com/product-p/epfc16b.htm ). I also got a duel brake lever from SickBikeParts.com for $12 ( http://www.sickbikeparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=41&osCsid=ej 41imgbj3v5ftffpfi4ltres3 ). You will need to put a clutch lever that comes with the kit on the left handlebar so I use the duel brake lever on the right side to control both the front and rear wheel breaks just to make it easy. I also got the bottle boost upgrade for $20. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/49-66-80cc-MOTORISED-BICYCLE-BIKE-BOOST-BOTTLE-KIT-GT5-/330657757063?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfcbc f787 )

Before you select a kit I recommend that you take a close look at the bicycle you plan to put it on. Make sure your bicycle has enough room to mount the engine (most mountain bikes and beach cruisers with 26 inch wheels will be fine). You might want to consider spending a little more and getting a 4 stroke engine. 2 stroke engines require a fuel mixture of gas and oil. With 4 stroke engines you can drive right up to the pump and fill with regular unleaded gas. 4 stroke engines usually have a pull start cord while most 2 strokes don't. If you weigh more than 150lbs and decide to get a 2 stroke engine you should get at least 66cc (China calls them 80cc but they are really 66cc engines). Don't get one of those 49cc 2 stroke engines, they are for kids bikes. PistonBikes kits are a little more but might be better ( http://www.pistonbikes.com/Motorized-Bicycle-Motor-Kits-s/1.htm ). You should shop around for the best deal for you. You should run a Google search for "motorized bicycle kit".


If you do decide to get a motorized bicycle you should be prepared for some maintenance. They vibrate quite a bit and you should carry some basic tools like a wrench and screwdriver while on the road. You should always tighten things up before you go on long rides. To help reduce vibration it is recommended that you use rubber to mount the engine and other parts to the frame (cut pieces from an old inter-tube if you have one) also if you have suspension forks on your bicycle it will help although mine doesn't have them. It's really not that difficult to assemble, here is a youtube video that takes you through the basics (
http://www.motoredbikes.com/ There is a lot of good info there.


One more thing, I don't recommend that you get a used engine because you can't know exactly how many miles it has on it. These small, high reving engines should last 3000-5000 miles before they die.


Good luck
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i bought 2 electric bicycles through walmart in 2006.
when new, they would go 15 mph on electric for 1 hour before needing recharging. now i get about 10 miles, more when i assist by pedaling.
i paid $295 for each one.

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