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Old 07-08-2012, 09:01 PM   #1
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We have a 2013 43' Entegra Anthem Tag Axle coach and are looking at a potential toad. I have spoke to several coach delivery drivers and every one has STRONGLY suggested a Jeep Wrangler/Rubicon. Citing that a normal car or truck just doesn't have the suspension to handle the constant torque and bouncing that the coach delivers. We anticipate putting 12k-15k miles as a toad. I'm curious what other experiences have been.

I'm looking for replies from those that pull the toad significant miles per year and can speak to how the vehicle has held up over the years.

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Old 07-08-2012, 09:11 PM   #2
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We were full time for four years, covered 44K miles and 34 states. We towed our 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee for the first half of that and our 2007 Ford Explorer for the second half.

Although we didn't put the entire 44K on one toad, I should say that we never had a single problem of any kind towing either and I certainly couldn't tell any difference in how they towed.

We far preferred the Jeep to the Ford as an every day vehicle though.

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Old 07-08-2012, 09:44 PM   #3
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I have spoke to several coach delivery drivers and every one has STRONGLY suggested a Jeep Wrangler/Rubicon. Citing that a normal car or truck just doesn't have the suspension to handle the constant torque and bouncing that the coach delivers.

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That's interesting. What "constant torque and bouncing" does the coach deliver? Watching the toad in the camera I don't see it bouncing and torquing.
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I don't see any bouncing on the toad but I can understand some torque issues but not enough to worry about. The torque issues would result from side to side sway and the amount would depend on the distance between the rear wheels of the coach and the front wheels of the toad.

We have a '00 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has been towed over 100,000 miles and has approx 145,000 on the odometer. The only problem was a front drive shaft that had a bad universal joint.
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We have been towing a 2007 Saturn Vue for about 30,000 miles without a problem. If there's a lot of bouncing and torque, could it be towbar related. I haven't seen it.
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I may be missing something but what difference is there between towing or driving? Seems to me the road would dictate stress or lack thereof.

Have towed Fords, Hondas,Jeeps and Toyotas without problems, "SO FAR".

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While we love our Jeep Wrangler (we're on our second), truth is, there are a lot of good potential toads out there.
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I really like Jeeps because of the 4x4 transmission and ease of towing (transfer case with neutral, no wheel lock recent years). But I don't see that the heavy duty suspension is any kind of significant factor. If the toad is getting slammed around that much, there's something wrong with the tow rig or the driving.

Edit: Just noticed WHO you said you got that advice from. Maybe for those guys it's true. They probably drive more miles in a year than normal RVers do in 5, and I bet they're not as "easy" on a rig as an owner would be. :(

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We tow a 2012 Chevrolet Equinox, front wheel drive with a 2012 Tiffin Allegro Open Road 32CA (33 feet long, gas powered). Have a Blue Ox tow plate and Blue Ox (Aladdin) tow bar. Have only towed it about 2000 miles, but have had no problems. It is very easy to get it ready to tow, just follow the instructions in the owners manual.
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We have a 2013 43' Entegra Anthem Tag Axle coach and are looking at a potential toad. I have spoke to several coach delivery drivers and every one has STRONGLY suggested a Jeep Wrangler/Rubicon. Citing that a normal car or truck just doesn't have the suspension to handle the constant torque and bouncing that the coach delivers. We anticipate putting 12k-15k miles as a toad. I'm curious what other experiences have been.

I'm looking for replies from those that pull the toad significant miles per year and can speak to how the vehicle has held up over the years.

Thanks.
I'm not an engineer nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but I am a life long maintenance guy and a commercial driver with a few million miles of travel behind me. My question for the above statement would be, what the heck are they talking about? Constant torque? Bouncing maybe, but isn't that the job of suspension? It should allow for that with no problems. Torque? Somebody and maybe it's me, needs to check the definition of torque. Not sure what they are talking about here but I don't think that is it.

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That's interesting. What "constant torque and bouncing" does the coach deliver? Watching the toad in the camera I don't see it bouncing and torquing.
Good point. Not sure how you would see "torquing" in the vehicle or what it would look from a camera angle like that if you did see it.

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I don't see any bouncing on the toad but I can understand some torque issues but not enough to worry about. The torque issues would result from side to side sway and the amount would depend on the distance between the rear wheels of the coach and the front wheels of the toad.

We have a '00 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has been towed over 100,000 miles and has approx 145,000 on the odometer. The only problem was a front drive shaft that had a bad universal joint.
Maybe I need the explanation here. I can't understand any torque issues that would occur in a towed vehicle. Side to side sway is not torque. There is a slight point to be made here. The distance from the rear axle of the coach to the front axle of the towed vehicle would magnify the amount of tail swing and movement of the towed vehicle when turning to any degree, when going down the road in a neutral configuration both vehicles would be moving in a straight line with the axle distance having no effect at that time.
As always, my thoughts.
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RickO, We have a 2008 Ford Escape we were thinking of using but I have heard there were problems with the Ford transmission. Did you have to do anything to the motor etc, to tow four down?
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RickO, We have a 2008 Ford Escape we were thinking of using but I have heard there were problems with the Ford transmission. Did you have to do anything to the motor etc, to tow four down?
Welcome to the forum.

I had my Ford dealer install the "neutral tow kit" when I bought the Explorer. I'm not really sure what it does but, according to Ford, it qualifies the car to be towed four down.

Have you checked the Remco or Motorhome Magazine towing guides? They'll give you a good idea of what you're facing with your Escape.

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Old 08-02-2012, 10:17 PM   #13
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Well I have a lot of experience in pulling a toad. I saw very little movement or bouncing around the entire 8 miles home from the hitch shop Tuesday!
I sure hope I don't have issues.We are looking forward to lots of trouble free miles and hopefully there will be a few usable parts left after we are done with it. We are pulling a 2012 Enclave and I watched the thing in the rear camera all the way home and it looked so smooth and trailed perfect. It will be hard to remember it's back there. I'm sure when we hit a long grade I'll be reminded , it's not the lightest toad we could have gotten.
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