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Old 08-12-2016, 08:14 PM   #15
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Really nice job there for the brake arm inside your auto. Great pictures as well, thanks for sharing that.
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Thank you Sir, for the very nice comments. It really didn't take all that much time and or money to set up the R/B in the alternate fashion I did. They have a pretty good braking system, just a poor way of setting it all up. I showed my turn buckle system to them (to the R/B reps at the Quartzsite annual RV event, each Jan) and they were thrilled with it but, they said, as usual, the company want's the CHEAPEST way out for it's design. And, they can buy a few zillion chinese cable clamps and still keep the cost fairly low. Oh well, no biggie for me.
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A quick update. I got a third cable from them that they said they pull tested before shipping. I set it up and took it out for a spin that was quite a bit longer and varied in terrain and speed.

This one seemed to hold up and was still working when I was complete. I didn't set it up any different than the previous one. I honestly believe that they have had a few of these cables that they have not been getting the ferrules correct on.

We go for a larger tow next week. I should know more then.

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Old 08-13-2016, 08:49 PM   #17
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Thank you Sir, for the very nice comments. It really didn't take all that much time and or money to set up the R/B in the alternate fashion I did. They have a pretty good braking system, just a poor way of setting it all up. I showed my turn buckle system to them (to the R/B reps at the Quartzsite annual RV event, each Jan) and they were thrilled with it but, they said, as usual, the company want's the CHEAPEST way out for it's design. And, they can buy a few zillion chinese cable clamps and still keep the cost fairly low. Oh well, no biggie for me.

Scott

I really like what you did and I cannot imagine there being a significant cost. In addition I feel your design is much better especially since you can easily disconnect when not in use.


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Old 08-14-2016, 12:25 AM   #18
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Well.....guess its not just a one time thing ! Just had the identical failure on my brake cable as did OP !
End of cable just pulled thru ferrule. This is a relatively new cable / used only about 3 weeks of towing.
Luckily, I kept my old cable which we had on our Wrangler setup ( lasted 3 years with no issues ). Was able to fix things at a rest stop and continue on our way.
Will be calling NSA on Monday.
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Old 08-14-2016, 02:31 AM   #19
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When setting up a Ready Brake system, one of the things that should be taken into consideration is the fact that, when you enter a turn while towing your toad, it is highly possible that the distance between the point at which the cable emerges from the front bumper (or bracket) or where ever it emerges from, to the actuator arm of the RV, is shortened. When that happens, the cable becomes real slack and, can actually fall to one side (usually the inside of the turn).

And, when you finish the turn, and straighten out, it is possible for the cable to get caught on something and bind up while trying to straighten out. It's been a while since I set up mine and, I made a guide for it so it can't fall to one side or the other. But, if it gets caught on anything, it can bind and, that will become too much stain for any crimped ferrules.

I'm not saying this is what's been happening but, for lack of a better explanation, I'd at least check that out.
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While this thread about the ferule. Another place that can have wear problems is the guide on tow bar is hooked into when stored. I put a piece of plastic tubing over cable from ferule to turnbuckle like Scott has.
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And now the third one broke. Third trip in a row where this thing has broken and become a PITA.
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And now the third one broke. Third trip in a row where this thing has broken and become a PITA.
Well it's obvious its hanging up on something

You might have to go to a big parking lot, and have someone watch the cable as you do some turns

I have been using my RB for a few months and few 1000 miles and im on the original cable

I am going to adopt the turn buckle adjustment mod
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Well it's obvious its hanging up on something

Well, I couldn't agree more. As I stated in my previous post, it is possible for your cable to "droop" while in a cornering situation. Then, as you straighten the coach and toad, the droop in the cable is possible it's catching on some sharp edge or something and, the strain is too much and does what yours is doing. This is just a guess here but, a kind-a educated guess at that.

And, as has been suggested, some form of an observer may be needed to watch your cable/tow bar system, while you're in a sharp turn, to see if something like what we're suggesting is happening. Good luck.
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Well it's obvious its hanging up on something
Actually, thats not at all obvious. And the factory agrees with me based upon our setup and the photos that we have provided. We have done multiple full lock turn tests / inspections with a mix of driving, etc. This system is setup as specified by NSA.

This latest failure was during a straight line braking event that was abrupt and quick. In this case the ferrules held onto the plastic coating of the cable and the cable stripped out of the coating. Upon looking at the bare cable itself there were no signs of that the ferrules actually had a firm grasp on the cable core. From my perspective the entire issue is that they are putting the cable with a plastic type coating through the ferrule.

Here is the cable after the last failure:




Here is the setup:




The factory is making up a fourth cable for me and this one will be without that coating running through the ferrules. I will say that I have been testing our setup with some heavy and abrupt braking events ot verify that the system works appropriately in a quick stop.

I would think that most people have been doing that as well with their setups, but I throw it out there just in case. I do know the system works well when it works, as two times when the cables let go there was a very noticeable lurch in the coach as the toad brakes released.

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Good pictures.
Went out and looked at mine. The cable at MH end does not have a coating on it. I have had mine for about 6 years. I bought it used. The MH end was on bar since I bought it. I have purchased 2 of the Extra Cable Harness Kits RB-011 from NSA. Original one has no coating on it. 2 new ones have coating. Never been used. Original has to be close to 10 years old without a failure.
I would go to one of the Big Box stores and get some cable, a ferule and couple of clamps and make my own. All TSC stores carry a good supply of these items. Should be less than $10.
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Readybrake cable

My cable has no covering, just a plain steel cable. It would appear that your crimps are acting as wire strippers and removing the cover as it is unlikely that they would be crimped tight enough to grab the enclosed cable. Crimps are only compressing the sheath.
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We installed our Ready Brake last year and have towed about 10,000 miles with no failure. Rarely have I heard of any problems with the Ready Brake system. I think it is hanging up on something in a certain set of circumstances.

We love the system. Being able to just disconnect and drive without moving a bulky brake controller is so nice.
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The coating should never be inside the ferrule crimp. In my opinion it looks to me your brake cable is too tight. It should have 2 inches of slack in it when in a straight line. If the cable is too tight and you turn and brake something is going to give. I have considered adding a double pull spring (like used on a porch swing) into the system. I have heard the car tires squeak a little on sharp 90 turns, the long rear swing of my coach aggravates this on real sharp 90's. Shop The Hillman Group 0.56-in x 7.25-in Porch Swing Spring at Lowes.com
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