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Old 09-16-2014, 01:15 PM   #1
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I have a jeep with a roadmaster 9000 installed by the previous owner. on the challenger 35ht that I own, I apparently need to install a roadmaster 98300 in order to complete the system for supplemental braking to my jeep when towing. my question is has anyone done this, and where is the best place to install the small compressor unit. I would rather not put it in a storage bin and loose the that space, has anyone installed the compressor in the open area above the chassis frame in the house battery storage bin? Any experienced helpful comments would be appreciated, thank you.
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Old 09-16-2014, 01:31 PM   #2
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I suggest you contact Roadmaster directly and ask. It would probably be O.K., but if you can find the space, perhaps mount it in a protective box to preserve the electronics and motor from the elements.
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just my 2 cents.....

Why install that system? I have installed almost every toad brake system out there and my personal opinion is the only ones worth there weight is ones that doesn't have to be messed with on a regular basis. (ie every time you tow - hook up and unhook)

Currently my preference is the SMI stay-n-play. Simple operation, yes takes some time installing, but once installed and fine tuned your ready to go and nothing to mess with. Hook up and go, and when you get where your going you un-hook the car and don't have to store extra parts. Bonus is, if you need to tow behind something other then your coach, the brakes on the toad will work the same. Other then you probably wont have the charge lead, but you can typically tow for up to 500 miles without draining the battery on the toad - well, it will drain but should still start. Not an issue behind your coach since it would have the charge lead from the coach to the car when it's installed.

My primary reason for this type of system is I think any kit that uses extreme pressure to push on a dead pedal (no vacuum) just can't be good and I really don't think that any engineer from any car manufacture every put those kind of numbers into their equation's when designing the brake system for the car. Seems to me that anytime you put extreme force onto something that eventually the weakest link will fail. So will that happen when I'm towing it or driving it?

Again..... Just my 2 cents
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My primary reason for this type of system is I think any kit that uses extreme pressure to push on a dead pedal (no vacuum) just can't be good and I really don't think that any engineer from any car manufacture every put those kind of numbers into their equation's when designing the brake system for the car. Seems to me that anytime you put extreme force onto something that eventually the weakest link will fail. So will that happen when I'm towing it or driving it?

My Brake Buddy is 14 years old, has been flawless for over 80K miles for 2 toads, and takes about 35 seconds to install or remove. I must not have any weak links. 😉
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just my 2 cents.....

Why install that system? I have installed almost every toad brake system out there and my personal opinion is the only ones worth there weight is ones that doesn't have to be messed with on a regular basis. (ie every time you tow - hook up and unhook)

My primary reason for this type of system is I think any kit that uses extreme pressure to push on a dead pedal (no vacuum) just can't be good and I really don't think that any engineer from any car manufacture every put those kind of numbers into their equation's when designing the brake system for the car. Seems to me that anytime you put extreme force onto something that eventually the weakest link will fail. So will that happen when I'm towing it or driving it?

Again..... Just my 2 cents
#1. He already has a brake system installed in his Jeep.

#2. If your car would be damaged by pushing on the brake pedal to stop the vehicle without the power boost, I'd trade it! Never heard of a brake system or pedal failure due to excessive pressure on the brake pedal.

I also use a Brake Buddy-like system (mine is a Roadmaster unit) and have never worried about excessive pedal pressure damaging my car.
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Welcome to IRV2! We're glad you joined the gang here!

Sorry I can't help with your questions, but I bet one of the Moderators will move your post over to the towing area for better results!

Good luck, happy trails, and God bless!
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Good luck with your questions.....

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Glad you're aboard. Congrats on the new to you rig. Best of luck in finding a solution, sorry I don't have experience in where to mount the unit. Enjoy your adventures and be safe.
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I have a jeep with a roadmaster 9000 installed by the previous owner. on the challenger 35ht that I own, I apparently need to install a roadmaster 98300 in order to complete the system for supplemental braking to my jeep when towing. my question is has anyone done this, and where is the best place to install the small compressor unit. I would rather not put it in a storage bin and loose the that space, has anyone installed the compressor in the open area above the chassis frame in the house battery storage bin? Any experienced helpful comments would be appreciated, thank you.

I've installed the 98300 system on a couple motorhomes. I strongly suggest you find a place inside one of the storage compartments, or inside the motorhome. The system consists of a small compressor, storage tank, pressure sensor, and the related plumbing and electrical wiring. None of the afore mentioned items are protected from the elements. Essentially they sit inside a box that's missing the top and bottom. Exposure to the elements will make short work of the exposed terminal strip, pressure switch and relay.

Before you purchase the unit be sure to talk to the technical people at Roadmaster. The system also has a proportioning valve that needs to be installed in the hydraulic brake line. The newer Ford chassis (at least the 2013 chassis) has hybrid brake connectors on the brake lines. They have a double flair like the older SAE fittings, but have metric threads. The standard metric lines have a ball on the end of the line rather than the double flare.

Roadmaster sends standard SAE brake lines in the kit. Even when I ordered the "adaptor fitting" it wasn't correct. I had to purchase a metric line at an auto parts cut one of the ball ends off and replace it with a double flare.

I had to order this fitting to complete the connection.

https://www.belmetric.com/blt12x1-cohline-p-1112.html?zenid=gne29gl5q7ilvmccjrh01mpg42&cPath=1 7_564_187

Hopefully Roadmaster has updated their kit since then.
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#2. If your car would be damaged by pushing on the brake pedal to stop the vehicle without the power boost, I'd trade it! Never heard of a brake system or pedal failure due to excessive pressure on the brake pedal.



Call up your manufacture of your toad and ask them, I haven't ever called Volkswagen but have called other customer support lines and the answer I got is the same response every time - "It wasn't designed or engineered for such a device and isn't recommended" Give any of the manufactures you want and make your own decision, my guess is you'll either be trading in your toad or changing your brake system.
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Flawless? I'd be willing to bet your 14 year old system doesn't work quite as well as you think..... Maybe you got the lucky one? I've test ridden in many toads over the years after installing a brake system and watched how much it applies the brakes, most of the "brake-in-a-boxes" hardly even do anything. Being a dealer for "all" I've seen huge improvements from most of the manufactures over the last 10 years, 14 years ago brake systems where still something relatively new and only a couple were even on the market let alone anything that was good quality. Regardless, I'd never own a box.... Sure hope you've at least upgraded your towing equipment if you've really gone 80k miles and it's 14 years old? Towing equipment does wear out....
Gee, as a dealer, wonder what brand you sell for the most profit? In addition, how do you drive around with the "brake-in-a-box" installed? It sits on the driver's seat floor and would be hard to reach the pedals around it. Weren't you afraid the "extreme pressure to push on a dead pedal" wasn't going to damage the vehicle and cause a catastrophic accident -- with you as a passenger??

My Roadmaster "brake-in-a-box" works very well and I've put it in the passenger seat floor well and driven around to see how it is working and set the sensitivity I don't see why you condemn a very fine solution to auxiliary brakes without having to drill holes and make a permanent installation.
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Flawless? I'd be willing to bet your 14 year old system doesn't work quite as well as you think..... ....

Yes, it does work very well.
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