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Old 04-25-2015, 11:55 PM   #1
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RWD, Manual Trans, but dollyed front wheels down?

Just when you think you've heard it all, here I come with this ridiculous problem. Want to transport a rear wheel drive (RWD), manual transmission, Alfa Romeo Spider (2K lbs) with the front (steering wheels) down. Reason for this is that the main transmission shaft is not lubed unless other gears are spinning and splashing it with fluid...which isn't happening unless others are being spun by motor. One can get away with short trips, but I'm going 700 miles as fast as I can up to 65mphish.

Plan is to back it on dolly, tie steering wheel straight ahead and pray all will be well!!!

But before I start on this foolish adventure, thought I'd run it by you all for advise...before I learn via the "School of Hard Knocks" about what can go wrong!!

Thanks in Advance
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Old 04-26-2015, 12:08 AM   #2
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I don't know of ANY dolly manufacturer that says it's OK. Also, the steering geometry of the car is set to run straight ahead, not be pulled backwards. The front end isn't designed to take the abuse of being towed that way either.
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Old 04-26-2015, 12:16 AM   #3
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Just pull the drive shaft and you are good to go and dolly forward.
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Old 04-26-2015, 09:00 AM   #4
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You also run the risk of dragging the nose on the alfa.
I would look for a good trailer to put it on.
Much safer and easier at the end of the day.
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Old 04-26-2015, 09:13 AM   #5
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Not a good plan! The caster of the front wheels is set so that the wheels will alway want to return to center when moving forward. It's why you can simply let the steering wheel slip through your hands back to straight after making a turn.
When towed backwards the front wheels will always try and flip around 180 degrees. (Think of the front wheels on a grocery cart). This will put undue strain on what ever you use to try and prevent that. The steering wheel lock is not designed for that and if it breaks you have a good chance of losing control of the toad. Rope doesn't not have the rigidity needed and would allow the front of the toad to wander.
Suggest you either trailer it or, as mentioned earlier, disconnect the drive shaft.
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I seen this a couple times, looks funny as hell, but should be doable.

I think there are two issues that need to be considered

1) The front wheels are aligned for toe in. When going backwards, this will equate to toe out. This should not be any impact if the front end components are tight and no play. Tire wear should be exactly the same regardless if your 1/2 degree toe in or 1/2 degree toe out

2) Caster - this is the part that will need to be dealt with. Like pulling a shopping cart backwards, the castor wheels will attempt to turn around 180 degrees. BUT on your car, they will simply turn and hit the end stops so your car will be going down the road kind of sideways.

This can be mitigated by tying the steering wheel so it can't move. I would NOT rely on the ignition lock to hold the wheel. I would use two ropes wrapped around the steering wheel, one tied to the drivers door and the other tied to the passenger door. This would give you redundancy in case one rope comes lose.

I think I would also unlock the steering wheel ignition lock with the key so there is no tension on the lock mechanism.

With all that said. If this was a one time deal, I would probably disconnect the drive shaft and put it front on the dolly.

If I was doing this a lot, I might look at one of those drive shaft disconnect things. and maybe do the backwards thing for a test drive.
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Not sure how you would tie the wheel to both doors unless you were staying in the car.
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Pulled a rwd car on a dolly for a hundred miles. I was glade to get home. It was not a rack and pinion though and it was flopping right to left and back all the time and i could feel it really pulling hard as of the tires were dragging.
It cost $10 per day more for a car trailer.
We towed our manual Miata thousands of miles with the warning not to tow with no issues. We did unhook to do site seeing tours often.
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I seen this a couple times, looks funny as hell, but should be doable.

I think there are two issues that need to be considered

1) The front wheels are aligned for toe in. When going backwards, this will equate to toe out. This should not be any impact if the front end components are tight and no play. Tire wear should be exactly the same regardless if your 1/2 degree toe in or 1/2 degree toe out

2) Caster - this is the part that will need to be dealt with. Like pulling a shopping cart backwards, the castor wheels will attempt to turn around 180 degrees. BUT on your car, they will simply turn and hit the end stops so your car will be going down the road kind of sideways.

This can be mitigated by tying the steering wheel so it can't move. I would NOT rely on the ignition lock to hold the wheel. I would use two ropes wrapped around the steering wheel, one tied to the drivers door and the other tied to the passenger door. This would give you redundancy in case one rope comes lose.

I think I would also unlock the steering wheel ignition lock with the key so there is no tension on the lock mechanism.

With all that said. If this was a one time deal, I would probably disconnect the drive shaft and put it front on the dolly.

If I was doing this a lot, I might look at one of those drive shaft disconnect things. and maybe do the backwards thing for a test drive.
I've done this many times although most were with my tow truck I have done this exact move on a dolly for a 900 miles trip.

More than one way to skin this cat.

The strongest tie down inside the car is the front seat brackets where they bolt to the floor.

I can tie off the steering wheel in 20 seconds with a v belt.
You Must have a car/truck with a door frame to do this one.

Take the belt loop it around the rim of the wheel and pull it up against the a pillar and close the door on it.
I didn't use this method for my long trip,...but on the tow truck it it really worked.
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All good advice here. It can be done, but it's risky and requires more effort than just backing onto the dolly. Renting a car trailer for the trip is much smarter, not to mention easier. Especially if you are in a hurry, cause having to stop on the roadside to fix problems, or slow down to avoid wandering, or arriving with a damaged car, will ruin your day.
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I've towed a BMW Z3 backwards on a tow dolly for over 20K miles and got along great. No problem. The steering locks on the Z when you remove the key. Never did tie down the wheel. Maybe we were just blessed but it is still working great for us. Oh, just don't straddle a dead varmint on the road, does nasty things to front fascia.
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To close out.....Elected to take drive shaft out...20 minutes of work for 16 hrs of mental calmness...was worth it!! Thanks to all!!! Paul
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RWD, Manual Trans, but dollyed front wheels down?

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I've towed a BMW Z3 backwards on a tow dolly for over 20K miles and got along great. No problem. The steering locks on the Z when you remove the key. Never did tie down the wheel. Maybe we were just blessed but it is still working great for us. Oh, just don't straddle a dead varmint on the road, does nasty things to front fascia.

Now that is some good advice.
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