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Old 04-11-2016, 06:57 PM   #15
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So if the issues is keeping the toad wheels straight, why not have someone just hold the steering wheel straight? Maybe even wide turns are possible if the toad is steered correctly. Anyone attempt this? I would think communication between the MH and Toad driver would be important.
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:20 PM   #16
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Sorry guys but Pigman1 is correct. It can be done safely if you have the skill to do it. I also have backed up my coach/toad without any damage to either unit. The trick is to lock the steering on the toad so it's front wheels don't turn. Then it's just the same as backing a farm wagon with a tractor. If backing up a toad with the coach will damage the tow bar then you should never put on the brakes while towing, it's the same dynamic loading being applied.
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:30 PM   #17
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Sorry guys but Pigman1 is correct. It can be done safely if you have the skill to do it. I also have backed up my coach/toad without any damage to either unit. The trick is to lock the steering on the toad so it's front wheels don't turn. Then it's just the same as backing a farm wagon with a tractor. If backing up a toad with the coach will damage the tow bar then you should never put on the brakes while towing, it's the same dynamic loading being applied.

When it is done with every toad, including a Saturn SL, I may reconsider my unhook/rehook philosophy, as I have all day to waist 3 minutes on it


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Old 04-11-2016, 09:40 PM   #18
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I was raised on a farm with wagons that steered in the front.
I have been backing up for many years.
The problem with the tow bar is .......in the extended position, the
tube is very thin and can bend. If I need to back up any distance, I unlock
the tube so that it collapses inside itself. This gives it strength.
I have a shorter towbar, but a strong one and am able to back up as much
as I want. I have used the Excalibar tow bar for many years and have not had a problem.
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I got lucky until the last time I tried it. We were headed back from NM last October and stopped at a truck stop for overnight. It was pretty full and no easy access so I opted to try and back into an area off to the side so I wouldn't take up a OTR truck spot. As I was backing up the Jeep jackknifed actually stopping the coach. I pulled forward and then backed up again with no problems. When I got home I could hardly get the tow bar out of the hitch, it had bent. So $$$$$ and a lesson learned.
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I have had to back up once or twice with the toad. Luckily there weren't any problems. This year running the gauntlet getting thru the Mexican border, one guy says go this way and the next said go that way. Had to back up about 10 feet while off center. Things worked fine and I made it.

M&G Engineering designed a tow bar that made it possible to back up around a 90 degree corner. It required a certain geometry on the front end of the toad but it did work. They sold the patent to Roadmaster and nothing has been done with it since
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:57 AM   #21
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If backing up a toad with the coach will damage the tow bar then you should never put on the brakes while towing, it's the same dynamic loading being applied.
Exactly - Whats the difference if the RV is pushing the toad (backing up) or the toad is pushing the RV (RV applying the brakes while driving forward)

ALSO - There shouldn't be any need to lock the steering on the toad while backing, the front wheels will track just fine.
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I have done this a couple times but, only in a straight line with DW in the seat to keep the wheels straight and only on level ground. Sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Not a big deal.
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I agree but it's less stressful, (both mentally and on the tow bar), to simply disconnect and reconnect a 4 down toad than it is to back one up.
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Exactly - Whats the difference if the RV is pushing the toad (backing up) or the toad is pushing the RV (RV applying the brakes while driving forward)

ALSO - There shouldn't be any need to lock the steering on the toad while backing, the front wheels will track just fine.

To test your theory, back up your car while on a slight side slope or over a bump without your hands on the wheel. Surprise! The front wheels are canted forward.

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I agree but it's less stressful, (both mentally and on the tow bar), to simply disconnect and reconnect a 4 down toad than it is to back one up.
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Yep! Having seen the bent results of those that are "skilled", you and I will never join the ranks of the "all knowing", Mel.


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I think the bottom line is to try to always stay within your comfort zone. I have seen videos of truckers u turning tandem trailers on narrow mountain roads that would give me the creeps. Can't even describe how they did it! And I would never even try.
Keep within your zone, whether it's backing up a few feet or disconnecting.
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Exactly - Whats the difference if the RV is pushing the toad (backing up) or the toad is pushing the RV (RV applying the brakes while driving forward)

ALSO - There shouldn't be any need to lock the steering on the toad while backing, the front wheels will track just fine.

Wrong, the front wheels use Caster/Camber & Tow-In to cause the wheels to Track to Center while moving forward. In reverse it works opposite and Will cause the wheels to turn and jackknife.
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I think the bottom line is to try to always stay within your comfort zone. I have seen videos of truckers u turning tandem trailers on narrow mountain roads that would give me the creeps. Can't even describe how they did it! And I would never even try.
Keep within your zone, whether it's backing up a few feet or disconnecting.
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The thing to keep in mind, and what makes a 4 down toad different from a farm wagon or trailer, is that the front wheels on the toad are free to turn in any direction at any time. When they do the toad is trying to go in one direction and the tow bar is trying to make it go in a different direction, putting stress on the tow system and the toad. The only way to stop that is for someone to try to steer the toad in the exact direction the tow bar is pushing it, which in my mind is impossible, but can be close enough for a short distance.

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I agree but it's less stressful, (both mentally and on the tow bar), to simply disconnect and reconnect a 4 down toad than it is to back one up.
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Mel hit it on the head for me. It is just mentally much easier for me to unhook and backup. It is so quick to unhook that it just does not seem worth the effort to "learn" to backup.
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Wrong, the front wheels use Caster/Camber & Tow-In to cause the wheels to Track to Center while moving forward. In reverse it works opposite and Will cause the wheels to turn and jackknife.
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