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Old 04-12-2016, 11:47 AM   #29
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I've had to do that a few times with no problems or damage, the back up camera helps with keeping things in line.
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Old 04-12-2016, 01:42 PM   #30
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It always seemed to me that the front wheels could do whatever they wanted too, which generally was to turn all the way in one direction or the other. They just scooted along wherever the tow bar pushed them placing significant stress on the tow mechanism and toad. What seemed to cause the toad to turn, and eventually jacknife if not corrected, was the relationship between the rear wheels of the toad and part of the hitch that turned on the ball. Almost like a trailer where the front wheels weren't even there.

I never pushed the situation beyond a slight turn, before pulling up and starting over, but that is the way it looked to me. My toads have been a Sami and Tracker which are pretty light. A heavier vehicle may behave differently.

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Old 04-12-2016, 03:37 PM   #31
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True, when I back up my car and take my hands off the steering wheel, the front wheels will turn to one of the end stops (full left or right turn) and the car will go backwards in circle.

However, if I have my car attached to my RV with the tow bar and back up, the front wheels will caster nicely and follow the turns, probably not tracking perfectly, but they do not turn to the end stops. Done it a hundred times, not a problem.
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:20 PM   #32
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However, if I have my car attached to my RV with the tow bar and back up, the front wheels will caster nicely and follow the turns, probably not tracking perfectly, but they do not turn to the end stops. Done it a hundred times, not a problem.
All I've ever backed is a Metro, Samurai, and Tracker and after a few feet they would all go to the stop on one side or the other and just scoot unless someone held the steering wheel. Perhaps a difference in vehicles.

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I am a believer that the best method would be to pull the MH back with the toad.

Put the MH in reverse engine running foot on brake, put the Toad in reverse and back up, driver in the MH keeps enough brake on to keep from pushing against tow bar.

Cell phone contact Toad to MH to Toad being a good idea.
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I am a believer that the best method would be to pull the MH back with the toad.

Put the MH in reverse engine running foot on brake, put the Toad in reverse and back up, driver in the MH keeps enough brake on to keep from pushing against tow bar.

Cell phone contact Toad to MH to Toad being a good idea.

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I meet a guy who's done several 180's in a small parking area (not disconnecting the toad), not large enough to turn around going forward. Since then I learning how. It can be done without causing damage.
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I have backed up a few feet with a vehicle on a tow dolly. Now that I'm flat towing if I ever get into the situation again I'll probably give it shot if the toad is reasonably straight. I'll have the wife in the toad to keep the wheels in line like some have suggested.
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So there you have it. The definitive answer, or maybe not. There are those that say it can't be done, shouldn't be done and they won't even consider it.

There are those that say It can be done, could be done and has been done.

So, what's the answer? Kind of like playing Craps. You step up to the rail, roll the dice and takes your chances.

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No, you take the time and effort to LEARN how to do it, if you want to be able to do it. It's a skill, not an ability you were borne with.
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If backing up a toad with the coach will damage the tow bar then you should never put on the brakes while towing, it's the same dynamic loading being applied.

I would agree as long as the front wheels are pointing in the same direction as the vehicle is moving. If the wheels turn all the way to the locks it is a different matter and side loads will be imposed that wouldn't be there when stopping.

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I didn't know there were so many structural engineers on this forum who can state definitively that no damage has occurred to the tow bar or toad. I see a lot of RVers out there who seem to disregard all kinds of recommendation and regulations, that opinions on forums are hard to accept. Sorry if I stepped on someones toes but ignoring manufacturers recommendation whether tire pressure, use of equipment or the use of supplemental braking, is not a good idea for you or those around you. At any rate, in my opinion, anything more than a couple feet is foolhardy and then only if the toad and coach are straight. Unhooking would still be the preferred method though. Just my opinion and to that I'm entitled and yes I can be as lazy as the next person at times.
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Seems to me that all instructions (rules for operation) are written for the least experienced, least skilled, least knowledgeable, most timid people so as to keep the manufacturers legal department from being overtaxed. If you've read and followed every single caution, warning, and note in all instructions, have obeyed every single traffic sign both regulatory and advisory, and never rolled through a stop sign at 2AM on a country road where you can see for 5 miles in every direction, you definitely need to follow the directions manufacturers put out about backing with a 4 down toad. If you want to learn more about your rig, become more skilled in driving and parking it, and want to be able to do more than just the minimum, you might try to understand what all these NO-NO's really mean and why they're there. Then you can make an intelligent, informed decision on what to do and how to react in a situation not specifically covered by the instructions.

I definitely fall into the latter category. I, IN NO WAY, find fault or problem with those who choose to follow the instructions to the letter. I do find fault with those who try to put me and others into that former category when I know and have done repeatedly what the directions advise (or order) against. Do it your way, but let me do it my way as long as I'm not directly hurting you.
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Never tried it, but I have a question... Could you back up safely if someone was sitting in the toad, steering it?
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