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Old 08-23-2013, 11:03 PM   #15
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You should have known - they should have asked.

If your not willing to add the driveshaft disconnect, maybe negotiate with them to remove the system and possibly return the parts. Even if you could recover half your cost you would be better off than where you are at the moment. The equipment is essentially worthless on there right now to anybody.

I feel for you. That mistake hits you right in the wallet. Probably not the first one to make it.

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Old 08-23-2013, 11:17 PM   #16
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Think at this point I'd have the lube pump installed from Remco.

You would have had to do that anyway if you were going to tow the Jeep.

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Ultimately it's up to the buyer of the towed to determine if the vehicle is towable before purchasing it.
That's what we thought we did, got it in writing on Honda letterhead too. Even then Honda put up a little fight when we asked for a buyback. We finally did get our money back for the towing equipment which we then used to buy a dolly.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:14 AM   #18
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Ultimately it's up to the buyer of the towed to determine if the vehicle is towable before purchasing it.
That's what we thought we did, got it in writing on Honda letterhead too. Even then Honda put up a little fight when we asked for a buyback. We finally did get our money back for the towing equipment which we then used to buy a dolly.
Bought a new 2006 Honda Pilot after sales manger showed us in the manual it could be towed four down as is.
Three months and 6,000 miles later found out it's not towable. Called the sales manager and he refunded all our money without a hassle.
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Old 08-24-2013, 07:51 AM   #19
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First thanks to all of you for your input. That is what this place is all about. I have put on my big girl panties now and realize I screwed up. So, now, my next steps.

I am not prepared to buy a new Jeep or other vehicle at this point. I am not prepared to crawl under the Jeep and remove the drive shaft. I am not prepared to tow it backwards (way too many are against this, I don't want to compound one mistake with another).

So, I am thinking I will go with the Remco Lube Pump Kit. Does anyone have first had experience with this and what all is involved. I see the cost and everything there, but what about once it is installed? How do I use it? Is it hands free at that point? Do I just put the vehicle in "N" and go from there? Any info (good or bad) would be helpful.

Any long term negative impact on the Jeep?

Thanks again to everyone's input.
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Old 08-24-2013, 03:18 PM   #20
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Will the shop agree to swapping the equipment over to a 4X4 Jeep? Have them remove the equipment from the one you have, you trade it on one that will work, have them reinstall it on the new Jeep. Even if they'd split it with you, I think you'd be ahead.

Don't beat yourself up too much. There isn't a member here, out the entire 100,000 plus, that hasn't done something stupid at sometime.

That said, while I don't think you'd legally be entitled to any restitution from the shop, they should have known better, and should be embarrassed that they didn't.
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First thanks to all of you for your input. That is what this place is all about. I have put on my big girl panties now and realize I screwed up. So, now, my next steps.

I am not prepared to buy a new Jeep or other vehicle at this point. I am not prepared to crawl under the Jeep and remove the drive shaft. I am not prepared to tow it backwards (way too many are against this, I don't want to compound one mistake with another).

So, I am thinking I will go with the Remco Lube Pump Kit. Does anyone have first had experience with this and what all is involved. I see the cost and everything there, but what about once it is installed? How do I use it? Is it hands free at that point? Do I just put the vehicle in "N" and go from there? Any info (good or bad) would be helpful.

Any long term negative impact on the Jeep?

Thanks again to everyone's input.
I agree that this is probably your best option. Not familiar with how this pump works. You should be able to get some info on the Remco website. If not give them a call. This is the Remco explanation of the ease of use: Remco Lube Pump system | LP-1 LP-2 LP-7 LP-8 LP-ford Remco Tow Products
Sounds pretty easy to me.
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50/50 you should have known better and done your homework, and the shop should have caught it....

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I agree with 50/50.
However, it's almost 60/40 you/shop. Yes, they shop shoulda caught it, but you told them what you wanted, and they did that. I can recommend stuff to people all day long, but half the time they don't listen and want to do it their way. Not saying you did that at all, but it happens a lot.
If someone says it's all the shop's fault, what about checking out the motorhome chassis for cracks while they're under there, or why didn't they check to see if you have the proper driver license for your setup.
I had a customer gripe because after he (insurance) spent ~$6k to replace his front cap, we didn't fix a piece of vinyl insert that was coming out of his trim. Same idea. Just because they are doing one item of work, doesn't mean they need to do everything else, to an extent.
Anyway, just ranting. You've got your game plan now.
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Where did you get the impression that the shop cared about you and what you needed/wanted?

IMO it's nearly impossible to find a shop like that.
The shop got the only thing they wanted from you...your $$!
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Get a driveshaft disconnect. I've been running one for over 20 years on three different vehicles. Works great. The other posters comment that he's heard they are maintenance intensive is simply not true. They do require a clean and lube occasionally - wipe it off and spray a little silicon lube on it - 5 minutes maybe once or twice a year. Hardly a "continuously" required service. Call Dave at Driveshaft King (800.422.6329). He'll fix you up. Problem solved.
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Get a driveshaft disconnect. I've been running one for over 20 years on three different vehicles. Works great. The other posters comment that he's heard they are maintenance intensive is simply not true. They do require a clean and lube occasionally - wipe it off and spray a little silicon lube on it - 5 minutes maybe once or twice a year. Hardly a "continuously" required service. Call Dave at Driveshaft King (800.422.6329). He'll fix you up. Problem solved.
Do this and you will be happy. You experienced a bump in the road.
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First thanks to all of you for your input. That is what this place is all about. I have put on my big girl panties now and realize I screwed up. So, now, my next steps.

I am not prepared to buy a new Jeep or other vehicle at this point. I am not prepared to crawl under the Jeep and remove the drive shaft. I am not prepared to tow it backwards (way too many are against this, I don't want to compound one mistake with another).

So, I am thinking I will go with the Remco Lube Pump Kit. Does anyone have first had experience with this and what all is involved. I see the cost and everything there, but what about once it is installed? How do I use it? Is it hands free at that point? Do I just put the vehicle in "N" and go from there? Any info (good or bad) would be helpful.

Any long term negative impact on the Jeep?

Thanks again to everyone's input.
As a couple others have already said. The driveshaft disconnect may be a better choice. Since Jeep recommends removing the shaft when towing a 2wd Jeep they may frown on a lube pump if problems arize. With the disconnect you are following manufacturers recommendations.

As for the other situation the shop probably should have questioned installing the equipment on a 2wd Jeep. However they had no idea if you were taking it to another shop for further modifications. In addition I've seen more than 1 manufacturer change their minds as to whether a particular vehicle was or wasn't towable. Both Honda and Ford come to mind. Over the years both have sold models that they initially claimed to be towable 4 down. After a number of transmission failures both recanted the towability.
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I personally know of two people that had the driveshaft disconnect and one with the pump. All three had transmission failures from the Remco products. In the case of the pump, it failed and the warning light/alarm didn't go off. The disconnects, one never did find out what happened and the other may have been an operator error but he wasn't sure.
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