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Old 12-20-2015, 07:51 PM   #1
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Setup advice for new enclosed trailer

Hello.

I have a new 22' enclosed trailer on the way that I plan to use to tow my wife's Prius V and other misc. toys around with. We have a Winnebago 35J motorhome.

The trailer is going to show up shortly before I have to use it on a 1000ish mile trip, so I have a couple of questions that I am hoping that the more experienced members can help me with. I am wanting to get the needed accessories bought ahead of time so that I am not up against the gun once the trailer arrives.

A few specs:

Trailer- 22'x8-6" Cargo Mate with (2) 5200# axles.
Prius- 15+ ft long, 3275#.

Questions:
1) Do you think I will need the type of hitch with the torsion bars to counteract tongue weight?
2) What tie-down system do you recommend to secure the car? It has "D" rings, but I am leaning towards some type of system where there is a rail on the floor with straps that go over the tires and directly to the floor similar to car-hauler semi trailers.
3) Should I be considering air bags for the coach? I have done a little towing with it so far and it didn't squat it too bad, but I do have an extra set of bags that I could put on it if it made a difference for the positive.
4) What is the minimum tongue weight that will keep the trailer stable? I want to keep the car a far towards the back as possible so that I have more room in the front for misc items, but definitely want the trailer to pull nice.

Thanks in advance for any advice you are willing to offer!!
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Old 12-20-2015, 08:02 PM   #2
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Hitch weight

What is your hitch weight limits? 5000# with 500# tongue wt.? If yes you appear to be over the limits. My 18' X 8.5 enclosed with 2-3500# axles and a 1750# car inside weighs 4840#. And that is after I stripped the trailer of any excess removable weight. Nothing but the car.
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What is your hitch weight limits? 5000# with 500# tongue wt.? If yes you appear to be over the limits.
Will need to check on that. I am heading out of town until late Tues. Will check when I get back.
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How much does the trailer weigh? And the stuff in there other than the car?

If gas coach, which is likely 500lbs on the tongue and 5000 total.. Well you do the math. If a diesel coach with double or triple the numbers of the gas coach you are in much better shape. Need to ensure the rear axle and tired of the coach are not overloaded, as well as checking the CCC.
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How much does the trailer weigh? And the stuff in there other than the car?

If gas coach, which is likely 500lbs on the tongue and 5000 total.. Well you do the math. If a diesel coach with double or triple the numbers of the gas coach you are in much better shape. Need to ensure the rear axle and tired of the coach are not overloaded, as well as checking the CCC.
Trailer light weight appears to be approx 3000#. Tongue weight 305#. Other items in the trailer likely sub 500#- bicycles, paddle board, kayak, etc.

Coach is a gas model Ford chassis. Will have to check on the tow capacity when I get back- found both 5000 and 8000# references online, but... .

What is CCC?

In the meantime, let's assume that the coach's capacity is a go- any thoughts on the original questions?

Thanks so much for the replies!
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Trailer light weight appears to be approx 3000#. Tongue weight 305#. Other items in the trailer likely sub 500#- bicycles, paddle board, kayak, etc.

Coach is a gas model Ford chassis. Will have to check on the tow capacity when I get back- found both 5000 and 8000# references online, but... .

What is CCC?

In the meantime, let's assume that the coach's capacity is a go- any thoughts on the original questions?

Thanks so much for the replies!
Your idea of etrack with tire straps is one I consider preferable. An equalizer hitch is also something I would highly recommend. Air bags are necessary if you have a rear suspension that needs help to get the coach back to level. The equalizer hitch sometimes is adequate to maintain level.
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tacotory-

The curb weight for the trailer model you want (EHW8518TA3) is 3,350 pounds. You don't say what year Winnebago Sightseer 35J you have, but a 2009-2015 is rated for 5,000 pounds hitch capacity, with a 500 pound tongue weight. For that combination of coach and trailer, you can carry

5,000 - 3,350 = 1,650 pounds

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Sorry CCC is cargo carrying capacity and rule of thumb is 60%\40% front to rear on weight. Happy motoring.
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Most motorhome mfrs do not allow the use of equalizing hitches. Airbags would be highly recommended. The biggest issue you will have aside from the suspension will be the hitch rating on the motorhome which is only 500# tongue weight and 5000# towing. You really should consider a flatbed open trailer as any enclosed trailer with the car in it is going to exceed the motorhome capacity by a significant margin. With the load your are describing I would expect the tongue weight to be 700 - 900#.
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A quick addition of the car and trailer and your guesstimated extras puts you close to 7,000#. My math puts you at approximately 40% over.

According to any information Ford puts out air bags do not change any of the specifications.

I would be hesitant to venture on the road with family with the combination you are proposing. Actually I would not do it!!
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You will need an electric brake controller in the coach if you don't already have one unless the trailer has surge brakes. Prodigy works good and they have a plug and play setup for the ford wiring harness.
We towed a 22 ft enclosed trailer with our 1999 F53 V-10 and didn't have any issues. I carried a couple motorcycles and other stuff in there. Cargo weight in the trailer was probably around 2000 lbs.
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I just went through this. I had a 8 x 20 enclosed trailer that I towed for 10+ years with a 99' F53. I carried some dirt bikes + two atv's and the total weight was around 4500#. No problems though I did add air bags to the rear of the coach. Fast forward to this year. We bought a Polaris RZR. I measured the tongue weight with the RZR + 1 dirtbike it was over 850#. I shifted things around and got the TW down to about 550# but my guess is I was probably at the lower limit of having enough tongue weight with a lot of weight to the rear of the trailer. I took it on one long trip and I could tell it was pretty heavy and it didn't tow near as stabil as it had with the atv\dirt bike combo. Much as I liked having an enclosed trailer I bit the bullet and bought an open trailer that weighs over 2000# less than the enclosed. It tows very nicely and I am well within the tow ratings now. The Prius is going to weigh more than the RZR and the dirtbike by at least 1000#. You really need a DP or a lighter trailer if you want to go with that setup.
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Trailer light weight appears to be approx 3000#. Tongue weight 305#. Other items in the trailer likely sub 500#- bicycles, paddle board, kayak, etc.

Coach is a gas model Ford chassis. Will have to check on the tow capacity when I get back- found both 5000 and 8000# references online, but... .

What is CCC?

In the meantime, let's assume that the coach's capacity is a go- any thoughts on the original questions?

Thanks so much for the replies!

The hitch rating on a Ford F53 is 500# tongue and 5000# tow. The tow rating of the chassis is the GCWR minus the weight of the motorhome loaded. In any case it's not likely to be over 5000# and definitely not 8000#. The tongue weight is going to be the big concern.
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