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Old 12-03-2007, 09:06 AM   #43
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You said exactly what my point was!!
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Old 12-03-2007, 12:40 PM   #44
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I have no doubt about the quality of these products described in this thread. I would use any of them discussed; as I'm in the market now.

What does concern me is when a 'member' becomes a salesman and potentially earns a buck from participating in a 'member's forum'. Shouldn't there be a SPONSOR's TOPIC that is moderated by them? In addition, shouldn't the moderators of this topic keep the company monikers out of these member forums? I'm sure the SMI rep is a honest guy with a good product. But when he signs off in a 'member's forum' with a company affiliation, the discussion has now become something other than what it was intended.

If I want to talk about Air Force One, then let the rep moderate his own topic that I can go to. Sponsors are a good thing and we should seek to accommodate them.

I do appreciate that neither obvious mechanic/salesman in this topic tried to 'camouflage' there identity. Their intent was obvious; just trying to help. But do it as an 'Avg Joe' and if your credibility comes into question, you can helpfully add that you've made a livin working on and with RV for xx years. Point made. Horse dead. Soap box slippery.
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:15 PM   #45
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brazels RV Performance:
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Check out www.mgengineering.com before you make a decision.Thanks for agreeing with me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I checked on every system I could find before I finally bought, and for me the M&G system won out. I had to drive 140 miles to get it (installed)but what a system... clean and works like a dream.
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Old 12-03-2007, 01:46 PM   #47
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kernel:
I have no doubt about the quality of these products described in this thread. I would use any of them discussed; as I'm in the market now.

What does concern me is when a 'member' becomes a salesman and potentially earns a buck from participating in a 'member's forum'. Shouldn't there be a SPONSOR's TOPIC that is moderated by them? In addition, shouldn't the moderators of this topic keep the company monikers out of these member forums? I'm sure the SMI rep is a honest guy with a good product. But when he signs off in a 'member's forum' with a company affiliation, the discussion has now become something other than what it was intended.

If I want to talk about Air Force One, then let the rep moderate his own topic that I can go to. Sponsors are a good thing and we should seek to accommodate them.

I do appreciate that neither obvious mechanic/salesman in this topic tried to 'camouflage' there identity. Their intent was obvious; just trying to help. But do it as an 'Avg Joe' and if your credibility comes into question, you can helpfully add that you've made a livin working on and with RV for xx years. Point made. Horse dead. Soap box slippery. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree whole-heartedly with your position. There is a thin, fine line between presenting factual information and pushing a product. I entered this topic by direct recommendation (via PM) of a forum moderator. My intention was, as it always is, to present factual information that would allow readers to formulate their own educated opinion in the matter. If the factual information is not presented, the opinion developed by the reader WILL be skewed.

I am sure you noticed, as soon as the tone began to switch from presenting "information" to defending a "product" (and/or mud-slinging), I voluntarily bowed out gracefully without a word. I assure you that I am here to present factual information to a market clouded with deception and misunderstanding.

I am always an advocate of people researching what I say, which is why I cited specific sources. Most times I enter a thread such as this, it is at the recommendation of a moderator.

Make no mistake, our sponsorship's purpose is adversing in nature; but the purpose of SMI's posting on this forum is not to sell brakes. If it were, there would be a salesman doing it. The purpose is to present our accrued knowledge so that people can make their own decision. I realize that I will be accused of "selling," that is to be expected; but as long as the moderators are supporting and requesting my input, I will continue to post in the above manner. If this is offensive to anyone, I would recommend sending a PM to a moderator.

If someone here decides to buy an SMI, great. If someone buys an M&G, great. Safety is the key here. I have personally logged countless thousands of miles in motorhome travel alone and have seen instances where a towed brake WOULD have saved lives.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kernel:
What does concern me is when a 'member' becomes a salesman and potentially earns a buck from participating in a 'member's forum'. Shouldn't there be a SPONSOR's TOPIC that is moderated by them? In addition, shouldn't the moderators of this topic keep the company monikers out of these member forums? I'm sure the SMI rep is a honest guy with a good product. But when he signs off in a 'member's forum' with a company affiliation, the discussion has now become something other than what it was intended.

If I want to talk about Air Force One, then let the rep moderate his own topic that I can go to. Sponsors are a good thing and we should seek to accommodate them.

I do appreciate that neither obvious mechanic/salesman in this topic tried to 'camouflage' there identity. Their intent was obvious; just trying to help. But do it as an 'Avg Joe' and if your credibility comes into question, you can helpfully add that you've made a livin working on and with RV for xx years. Point made. Horse dead. Soap box slippery. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kernel, just as is done in other topics around iRV2, the sponsors jump in from time to time in an effort to provide factual information...
In the Workhorse Forum for instance, Brazels RV Performance has been instrumental in providing some factual information regarding "upgrades" that can be performed to enhance the performance of the member's motor home.

In this instance, Pete and his son Brent and even Mike Bronzini from Brazel's have jumped in from time to time to offer their thoughts.

We've chosen to allow this, with the following caveat....We will NOT allow one member or sponsor to "bash" another sponsors topic in these forums.
It is our hope that the presence of these sponsors and their taking the time to share their knowledge will serve to improve the experience of every member...

I hope this clears this matter up....

I have contacted the sponsor(s) privately and reminded them of our "no bashing" policy.

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