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Old 08-24-2019, 09:07 AM   #99
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Actually following to closely, driving to fast for conditions and pulling your ultra heavy toads cause way more accidents than anything.
Brakes on a toad give a false sense of security. And human nature being what it is leads to more risky behavior.
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You're right about following closely and speed. However, I don't know anybody who, because they have auxiliary brakes on their toad, suddenly feel emboldened to engage in risky behavior! That's an absurd statement.

My toad also has lights, turn signals, excellent tires, airbags - all sorts of whiz-bang safety electronics and I don't feel any more prone to engage in "risky behavior." And the "sense" it gives me is I know it's there in the event they're needed. I'm pretty certain I'm not alone in that regard...

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Old 08-24-2019, 10:03 AM   #100
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I was with you at the beginning, but implying that TOAD brakes encourage risky behavior is a really, really big stretch. Do you happen to have any data to back that assertion up?
Just human nature. The perception of risk affects behavior.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:08 AM   #101
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You're right about following closely and speed. However, I don't know anybody who, because they have auxiliary brakes on their toad, suddenly feel emboldened to engage in risky behavior! That's an absurd statement.

My toad also has lights, turn signals, excellent tires, airbags - all sorts of whiz-bang safety electronics and I don't feel any more prone to engage in "risky behavior." And the "sense" it gives me is I know it's there in the event they're needed. I'm pretty certain I'm not alone in that regard...

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Of course they don't think they are engaging in more risky driving. Their perception of risk has changed.
Would you drive as fast or follow other vehicles as close if you only had brakes on one wheel of your RV and no toad brakes? Of course not! You would drive extremely more carefully and leave a much higher margin for error. The safer you feel affects your appetite for risk.
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Old 08-25-2019, 12:24 AM   #102
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Of course they don't think they are engaging in more risky driving. Their perception of risk has changed.
Would you drive as fast or follow other vehicles as close if you only had brakes on one wheel of your RV and no toad brakes? Of course not! You would drive extremely more carefully and leave a much higher margin for error. The safer you feel affects your appetite for risk.
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Boy, you sure are trying hard to make that logic work, huh? Sounds like drug store psychobabble to me.
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Old 08-25-2019, 11:50 AM   #103
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I'm with Jaxon on this one. Be responsible and safe-ALWAYS-weather towing or not. Making sure what you are towing has brakes is part of being responsible.
Otherwise, PLEASE, get off the road so it is safer for the rest of us.
This is not aimed at awol50. It is aimed at any of the participants who want to take shortcuts and be irresponsible.
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I have used the ready brute elite and ready brute brake on 4 towds . I am very happy with this setup.
I was wondering when someone would mention brute. They make a $400. Supplemental surge system that can go between other brands tow bar ....looks like it only adds less than a foot.
I would not want to live with the thought of toad getting loose and hurting anyone and if I can stop 20ft shorter all the better.
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You're right about following closely and speed. However, I don't know anybody who, because they have auxiliary brakes on their toad, suddenly feel emboldened to engage in risky behavior! That's an absurd statement.

My toad also has lights, turn signals, excellent tires, airbags - all sorts of whiz-bang safety electronics and I don't feel any more prone to engage in "risky behavior." And the "sense" it gives me is I know it's there in the event they're needed. I'm pretty certain I'm not alone in that regard...

Sheesh...
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My MH has a huge turbo 400hp 1200 lb. torque 6sp trans & 20" of meat on each rear. I'm street racing it every weekend.
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It has never entered my mind that I could be reckless because I have a braking system in my Jeep. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in this forum.
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It has never entered my mind that I could be reckless because I have a braking system in my Jeep. That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard in this forum.
Ridiculous is an understatement.
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I am convinced that its a must to have auxillary brakes on my towed vehicle . Just hope I got a pretty good one with the towmaster 9300. Anybody got any opinions ?
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If the toad happens to break loose, what will stop it? Also, you could be in violation of lots of laws for not having brakes on a towed vehicle weighing over 3,000 lbs.
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Point me to one fatality please. Just one.
Haven't really looked, but maybe that points to how well break away braking systems do work when needed.

Just the other side of the coin.


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two thing:
Toads are NOT trailers.
Not All states require aux braking in toads.
Should toads have braking systems? YES
Must toads have braking systems? NO
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