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Old 05-30-2014, 04:10 PM   #29
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Since many have yammered about the legal requirements all I will say there is not having a braking system may also open you to CIVIL damage if something happens. like half a million or so in liability.

On Jeeps, if motor home is a Diesel with air brakes consider M&G it is a good system and invisible to the jeep driver when not being towed.

US-Gear Unified Brake Decelarator gives MH Driver full control over jeep brakes, YOU MAY, adjust the ratio (Gain) from the MH, set or disable the jeep brakes, all with a pair of controls on the dash/collumn.

Invisible Brake,, NO HOOK UP required (except for break-away cable)

All these are invisible to the jeep driver by the way and save for the last very quick to hook up 2 cables and you are done.

Ready brake and Blue Ox Auto stop... Surge brakes. One of the simpliest systems made, and very effective also invisible to jeep driver, HOWEVER, if not used for an extended period the cables and seize up and disable it or cost you a brake job. Bit of maintance or testing needed at hook up (Seconds worth).

Box in the driver's seat systems (Even Brake, Brake Buddy), I do not recommend due to the hassle of installing them every time and storing them when driving the jeep.
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I have just switched from towing a trailer with Smart Car to flat towing a 2014 Wrangler Jeep. Trying to piece together the auxiliary braking system on whether or not it is needed. I have seen that most states are satisfied if the vehicle can be stopped in about 30-40 feet from 20MPH. I will be towing with a 2013 Georgetown. Would like to see and hear from people that do and dont use the systems, and if used, what kinds are being installed. Thanks, to green at this and want to get it right.
If it'll stop your rig in a shorter distance and it will, then you need it, so get yourself a READYBRAKE and be done with it. It you don' have wiring for the Jeep as yet, strongly consider the simple plug and play harness from COOLTECH.
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Old 06-06-2014, 01:45 PM   #31
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This is for wa8yxm.

Show us an instance where:

"Since many have yammered about the legal requirements all I will say there is not having a braking system may also open you to CIVIL damage if something happens. like half a million or so in liability."

this has occurred. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is for wa8yxm.

Show us an instance where:

"Since many have yammered about the legal requirements all I will say there is not having a braking system may also open you to CIVIL damage if something happens. like half a million or so in liability."

this has occurred. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know about Canadian Laws... but the law here in the USA says you must have braking system on 4 down toad.
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Folks, some posts have been getting too personal.

Please discuss the issue and not each other.
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There are 3 sets of laws involved

State law
Physics
Civil
The last two work together,, IF you rear end someone and they have a smart lawyer and you DO NOT have aux brakes on towed.. OUCH! big time OUCH!.

That said. If MH is a diesel with air brakes M&G is a good system, fits most jeeps, is 100% transparant to jeep driver fast hookup (air line and safety line) and that's all.

No matter what brakes you have on the MH there are many other systems, such as

1 Ready Brake (And Blue Ox auto stop) these are surge brake systems, very good if you tow often.. IF you park it for the winter in the great salted north make sure the cabled do not size up or you may need new brakes on the towed sooner than planned.

2: US-Gear Unified brake decelerator, 2 lead hookup (Power/control and safety) includes a towed-charge system, this system gives you more control over towed brakes from MH driver's seat than any other system, it is progressive and porportional,, Very good system)

3: Invisible brake; Only hook up is the safety lead.. Control is via the tow lights connector. Also provides for battery charge via Tail light circuit.

Many others ... Most 2 lead hookup (Safety cable and one other)

Box in teh driver's seat systems like Brake Buddy, Even Brake et-al.

MUST BE INSTALLED EVERY TIME YOU TOW and removed in order to drive the jeep.. I recommend against these unless you have a stable of towed's and pick a different one every trip, even then I do not like them.


CAUTION on all installed systems.

Make sure the dealer does not mess it up. cost me a brake job when they did and I'm not the only one.
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home.roadrunner.com/~morodat/toad-brakes-by-state.html

Towed Motor Vehicle Brake Requirements By State

This table documents statutory requirements pertaining to brakes on a motor vehicle in tow behind a motorhome or other vehicle in non-commercial applications.
Information was compiled from an analysis of each state's published statutes pertaining to motor vehicle brakes.
Note that this a layman's interpretation of the statutes, not expert opinion. It is presented for information only.
Comments regarding errors in this data are welcome. Email Link

Summary:

Five states; Alaska, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina and Wisconsin, have a verified brake requirement based on the towed vehicle weight.
Most states have a general performance requirement based on stopping distance from 20 mph. Those apply to all vehicles or to combinations of vehicles.
Three states; Hawaii, North Dakota and District of Columbia, have statutes that are not available online and therefore are not tabulated.


State
Brakes Req'd
Weight (lbs)
Statutes / Section
Other Reqmts
Performance Reqm't
Links
Notes
Alabama
No
-
35-5-212
None
n/a

Alaska
Yes
5,000
13 AAC 04.205
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Arizona
No
-
28-952
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Arkansas
No
-
27-37-501, 502
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph
Enter Statutes number in Query field
California
No (Note 1)
-
26458 c 3
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

Colorado
No
-
42-4-223
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Connecticut
No
-
14-80h
None
n/a

Delaware
No
-
4303
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

Florida
Yes
3,000
316.261
None
n/a

Georgia
No
-
40-8-52
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Idaho
No
-
49-933
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

Illinois
No
-
625ILCS 5/Ch.12. III
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

Indiana
No
-
IC 9-19-3
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

Iowa
No
-
321.430
Performance
45 ft from 20 mph

Kansas
No
-
8-1734
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Kentucky
No
-
189.090
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph
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Louisiana
No
-
RS 32:341
None
n/a

Maine
No
-
1902
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

Maryland
No
-
22-301
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

Massachusetts
No
-
Chapter 90: Section 7
None
n/a

Michigan
No
-
257.705
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Minnesota
No
-
169.67
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

Mississippi
No
-
63-7-51
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

Missouri
No
-
307.170.3
None
n/a

Montana
No
-
61-9-301 thru 321
Performance
35 ft from 20 mph

Nebraska
No
-
60-6,244
Performance
35 ft from 20 mph

Nevada
Yes
1,500
NRS 484.593, 9
None
n/a

New Hampshire
No
-
226:27
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

New Jersey
No
-
39:3-67
Performance
45 ft from 20 mph
Enter "brakes" in search field
New Mexico
No
-
66-3-840
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

New York
No
-
Article 9 375
None
n/a
Type "Vehicle 375" in search box
North Carolina
Yes
4,000
20.124 f
None
n/a

Ohio
No
-
4315.20
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Oklahoma
No
-
Title 47 Section 12-301
Performance
25 ft from 20 mph

Oregon
No
-
815.125
Performance
35 ft from 20 mph

Pennsylvania
No
-
Chapter 175
None
n/a

Rhode Island
No
-
31-23-4
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

South Carolina
No
-
56-5-4850 (h)
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

South Dakota
No
-
32-18-10
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

Tennessee
No
-
55-9-204, 205
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph
Click Folder, Title 55, Chapter 9
Texas
No
-
547.401
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph
Chapter 547, then to 547.401
Utah
No
-
41-6a-1623
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Vermont
No
-
Title 23 1307, 1308
Performance
30 ft from 20 mph

Virginia
No
-
42.2-1066, 1067
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Washington
No
-
46.37.340, 46.37.351
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph

West Virginia
No
-
17C-15-31
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Wisconsin
Yes
Note 2
347.35, 347.36
Performance
50 ft from 20 mph
Scroll to 347.35 and 347.36
Wyoming
No
-
31-5-950
Performance
40 ft from 20 mph

Note 1
California: Towed motor vehicles are exempt from weight-based brake requirements. Must comply with the performance requirement.
Note 2.
Wisconsin: 347.35 (3) (am) Brakes not required it toad weight is less than 40% of towing vehicle weight and the combined vehicles meet the performance requirement.

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isa, thanks for your list, but it is a classic example of where internet information is wrong. I posted this information easily found in the PA motor vehicle code. This makes that list very suspect in my mind.

Cut right from the PA Motor Vehicle code. See items B & C.

4502. General requirements for braking systems.
(a) Parking brakes.--
Every vehicle or combination, except a motorcycle, operated on a highway shall be equipped with a parking brake system adequate to hold the vehicle or combination on any grade on which it is operated,
under all conditions of loading, on a surface free of ice or snow. The system
shall not be designed to require a continuous or intermittent source of
energy for full effectiveness after initial application.
(b) Service brakes.--Every vehicle and combination operated on a highway shall be equipped with a service brake system adequate to control the movement of and to stop and hold the vehicle or combination on any grade on which it is operated, under all conditions of loading, and adequate to meet the braking performance standards established by regulation of the department.
(c) Breakaway systems.--Every combination operated on a highway, the towed vehicle of which is equipped with brakes or which has a gross weight in
excess of 3,000 pounds, shall be so equipped that, upon breakaway of the
towed vehicle, the towed vehicle shall be stopped and held automatically, and
the towing vehicle shall be capable of being stopped and held by use of its
own service braking system.
(d) Exceptions.--This section does not apply to towed instruments of husbandry and such items or types of special mobile equipment or commercial implements of husbandry as are specifically exempted from compliance by regulations promulgated by the department.
(Dec. 18, 1992, P.L.1411, No.174, eff. 60 days)
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Yes you have to check each state for their current regulations with respect to towed vehicles regulations. This url:

home.roadrunner.com/~morodat/toad-brakes-by-state.html

at least gives you the starting point to search out the facts.


While reviewing the state of PA vehicle code, I noticed in section 175 towards the very end of that section that there is listed an actual brake Performance Table based on vehicle weight with the appropiate stopping distance and speed viz.:

TABLE I—BRAKE PERFORMANCE

Passenger carrying vehicles with seating capacity of 10 persons or less and built on passenger frame:
SERVICE BRAKE SYSTEM
EMERGENCY BRAKE
Percent braking
force

Deceleration
in feet/sec.

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

65.2
21
20
54
Passenger carrying vehicles with seating capacity of over 10 persons built on passenger car chassis; vehicles built on truck or bus chassis with manufacturer’s gross weight of 10,000 lbs. or less:
Percent braking
force

Deceleration
in feet/sec.

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

52.8
17
25
66
All other passenger carrying vehicles:
Percent braking
force

Deceleration
in feet/sec.

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

43.5
14
35
85
Property-carrying vehicles having manufacturer’s gross weight of 10,000 lbs. or less:
Percent braking
force

Deceleration
in feet/sec.

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

52.8
17
25
66
Single property-carrying vehicles having manufacturer’s gross weight over 10,000 pounds except truck tractors. Combinations of 2-axle towing vehicle and trailer having GVRW of 3,000 pounds or less:
Percent braking
force

Deceleration
in feet/sec.

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

3.4
14
35
85
All other property-carrying vehicles and combinations of property carrying vehicles:
Percent braking
force

Deceleration
in feet/sec.

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

Stopping dist.
in feet at
20 MPH

43.5
14
40
90

Source
The provisions of this Table I readopted December 2, 1988, effective December 3, 1988, 18 Pa.B. 5362. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (103492).
Cross References
This table cited in 67 Pa. Code § 175.64 (relating to braking systems); 67 Pa. Code § 175.80 (relating to inspection procedure); 67 Pa. Code § 175.94 (relating to braking systems); 67 Pa. Code § 175.144 (relating to braking systems); 67 Pa. Code § 175.160 (relating to inspection procedure) and 67 Pa. Code § 175.203 (relating to braking systems).
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Yes, but that does not supersede the requirement section 4502 to HAVE towed vehicle brakes that function, it is in addition to it describing how well these brakes need to work.
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