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Old 05-27-2014, 06:48 PM   #1
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Towing four down?

I don't tow anything and really don't plan to but I have a question.
I see lots of people towing four down with everything from soup to nuts.
Do these vehicles have brakes? If so how do they work?
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I assume that you mean that you've seen many different types of cars being towed four down but the soup to nuts comment... and that's not really true.

Only certain makes and models of vehicles can be towed four down without doing damage.

As for brakes, wise operators have auxiliary braking devices on their toads... but not all are wise.

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So true :(.
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I don't tow anything and really don't plan to but I have a question.
I see lots of people towing four down with everything from soup to nuts.
Do these vehicles have brakes? If so how do they work?
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Soup & nuts don't have brakes but toads do.
Some brakes on toads, like those on my Saturn, don't work while the toad is being towed, (but they work perfectly whenever I drive it).

BTW, from what I read, apparently wise guys can't live without aux brakes on their toads.

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I don't tow anything and really don't plan to but I have a question.
I see lots of people towing four down with everything from soup to nuts.
Do these vehicles have brakes? If so how do they work?
I agree with you that there are MANY different types of vehicles being towed. Many vehicles that manufacturers state can't be towed….really can. For A/T vehicles, Remco makes a transmission lube pump that allows many of these vehicles to be towed. I'm looking into towing my Toyota Solara……and yes, a braking system is crucial, in my opinion, for overall safety.
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I assume that you mean that you've seen many different types of cars being towed four down but the soup to nuts comment... and that's not really true.

Only certain makes and models of vehicles can be towed four down without doing damage.

As for brakes, wise operators have auxiliary braking devices on their toads... but not all are wise.

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Yes I meant soup to nuts. I would assume there are only a few sold today that can be towed four down. But where I live there are a lot of old Suzuki trackers and Lada's and other junk out there.
All I wanted was the question answered about brakes.
There are people on this site that will take offence to this but I really don't need an education on what can be towed. But some info about the brake systems available sounds interesting.
Now once again! How are the brakes set up?
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I agree with you that there are MANY different types of vehicles being towed. Many vehicles that manufacturers state can't be towed….really can. For A/T vehicles, Remco makes a transmission lube pump that allows many of these vehicles to be towed. I'm looking into towing my Toyota Solara……and yes, a braking system is crucial, in my opinion, for overall safety.
Thanks Beach Crusier. That is the info I wanted
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All I wanted was the question answered about brakes.
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IMO, with any forum, "you posts your question..and you takes your chances!".....(kinda like playing Russian Roulette)!
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Narampa,
I'm using the Ready Brake Inertial Braking System:
http://www.readybrake.com

It is purely mechanical (no electric wiring needed for brake activation), and not too difficult to install. Of course wiring is needed of you want extra lighting to come on when the motorcoach brakes are applied. Otherwise the toad brake lights will come on when enough inertial force causes the mechanical system to "yank" on the brake pedal. I like the auxiliary brake light option because at times when I'm only slowing down slightly with the Jake brake, anyone following will see some lights come on.

There are several other brands and methods of toad braking, but none as simple as the Ready Brake. Cost is not too bad either. Name of the manufacturer is Night Shift Auto ... which sort of gives me a chuckle. Reminds me of the old Midnight Auto Supply. We don't have your part yet, but will have it if you stop by later, after midnight. 😃


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This gives a decent overview of the different types of toad braking systems:

RV Tech Library - Supplemental Braking System
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I'm using the Ready Brake Inertial Braking System:
Readybrake RV Tow Bars and RV Surge Braking Systems for Car Towing - NSA RV Products

It is purely mechanical (no electric wiring needed for brake activation), and not too difficult to install. Of course wiring is needed of you want extra lighting to come on when the motorcoach brakes are applied. Otherwise the toad brake lights will come on when enough inertial force causes the mechanical system to "yank" on the brake pedal. I like the auxiliary brake light option because at times when I'm only slowing down slightly with the Jake brake, anyone following will see some lights come on.

There are several other brands and methods of toad braking, but none as simple as the Ready Brake. Cost is not too bad either. Name of the manufacturer is Night Shift Auto ... which sort of gives me a chuckle. Reminds me of the old Midnight Auto Supply. We don't have your part yet, but will have it if you stop by later, after midnight. 😃


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Great info thanks
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This gives a decent overview of the different types of toad braking systems:

RV Tech Library - Supplemental Braking System
After looking at the link you supplied I can see there is a lot of engineering that goes into a toad brake system. Being a mechanic I wonder which one is the mst reliable and Maintenance free.
Right now I don't plan to tow but in the future who knows?
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After looking at the link you supplied I can see there is a lot of engineering that goes into a toad brake system. Being a mechanic I wonder which one is the mst reliable and Maintenance free.

Right now I don't plan to tow but in the future who knows?

Of course I have only experience with mine, but so far is has been reliable. Once the cable distance was adjusted right, there have been no issues. Maintenance? Well except for the normal "look at it and see if things are tight" I don't have to do maintenance. I do wipe everything down with a rag now and then.

If I buy something, it darn well better be simple and easy to maintain !! 😄


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After looking at the link you supplied I can see there is a lot of engineering that goes into a toad brake system. Being a mechanic I wonder which one is the mst reliable and Maintenance free.
Right now I don't plan to tow but in the future who knows?
I've always thought that the air activated ones have the least moving parts. You do need an RV with air brakes for those, though.
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