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Old 06-14-2016, 09:37 PM   #29
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aand just to clarify...I have twice the stopping power of a little 6.7 motor..

my coach has 1200 ft lbs of torque and a 2 stage engine exhaust brake

I don't use my brakes to slow down.. that's what my engine is for... 8.9 motor will stop you if you don't give it gas...

I push a little button on the dash down to slow and up to slow faster...
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Have you read any of the posts on this forum, where towbar's have failed?
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:49 PM   #32
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I towed the first year without brakes, Lighter towed than you, plus I have another set of brakes, so I never knew it was back there, without looking at the camera view.
Always in the back of my mind ...... What if this towbar fails. What if this car heads into oncoming traffic?
I have a SMI Airforce one towed brake now!
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Have you read any of the posts on this forum, where towbar's have failed?
not yet....probley tow in one of my trailers
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Three things to consider: insurance, personal/legal liability, individual state and Canadian laws. You probably noticed I didn't mention ability to stop! Think we are done now......
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not yet....probley tow in one of my trailers
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take away all the posts where people post' to be mean.... not very many posts
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States with special requirements

Kentucky
Kentucky law does not specifically require brakes on any passenger car trailers, regardless of weight. However, vehicles singular or in combination must be able to stop within distance specified by statute.
Oregon
Combination of vehicles must be able to stop within legal limits.
Wyoming, Utah & Kansas
Requires any vehicle combination to stop in 40 feet at 20 mph.
Delaware
Every motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movement, and to stop and hold such vehicle and any trailer attached thereto, including 2 separate means of applying the brakes.
New Hampshire
Requires any vehicle combination to stop in 30 feet at 20 mph.
Massachusetts
Every trailer having an unladed weight of more than 10,000 lbs shall be equipped with air or electric brakes.
Missouri
Independent braking system not required except on trailers coupled by a 5th wheel and kingpin.
New Jersey
Every trailer and semitrailer must have brakes that can be automatically applied upon break-away from the towed vehicle, and means shall be provided to stop and hold the vehicle for adequate period of time.
North Carolina
Every semitrailer, trailer, or separate vehicle attached by a drawbar or coupling to a towing vehicle of at least 4,000 lbs, and every house trailer weighing at least 1,000 lbs, shall be equipped with brake controlled or operated by the driver of the towing vehicle.
North Dakota
Every trailer operated at a speed in excess of 25 mph must have safety chains or brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop and to hold such vehicle and designed so that they can be applied by the driver of the towing vehicle from its cab, and must be designed and connected so that in case of an accidental breakaway the brakes are automatically applied.




United States Towing Laws

0 lbs * Kansas
* North Dakota
Wyoming
1,000 lbs New York
North Carolina
1,500 lbs * California
* Idaho
* Nevada * Tennessee
New Hampshire
2,000 lbs * Mississippi
* Ohio
3,000 lbs * Alabama
* Arizona
* Arkansas
* Colorado
* Connecticut * Dist. of Columbia
* Florida
Georgia
* Hawaii
* Illinois * Indiana
* Iowa
* Louisiana
Maine
* Maryland * Michigan
* Minnesota
* Montana
* Nebraska
* New Jersey New Mexico
* Oklahoma
* Pennsylvania
* South Carolina
* South Dakota * Vermont
* Virginia
* Washington
* West Virginia
Wisconsin
4,000 lbs Delaware
* Rhode Island
North Carolina
4,500 lbs * Texas
5,000 lbs * Alaska
10,000 lbs Massachusetts



Canadian Towing Laws

910 kg (2,007 lbs) * Alberta
2,000 kg (4,409 lbs) * British Columbia
Independent trailer braking system required where licensed weight of a trailer (excluding tow dollies) exceeds 1,400 kg or over 50% of licensed weight of towing vehicle; not required with motorhome towing with towbar a motor vehicle weighing less than 2,000 kg that is also less than 40% of motorhome GVWR.
910 kg (2,007 lbs) Manitoba
1,500 kg (3,308 lbs) * New Brunswick
* Newfoundland
Required if vehicles cannot be brought to a stop within a distance of 10 meters at 30 km/h from the point at which brakes are applied.
0 kg (0 lbs) * Northwest Territories
1,800 kg (4,000 lbs) * Nova Scotia
1,360 kg (3,000 lbs) Ontario
1,500 kg (3,308 lbs) Prince Edward Island
1,300 kg (2,867 lbs) * Quebec
1,360 kg (3,000 lbs) Saskatchewan
910 kg (2,007 lbs) * Yukon

* Breakaway required above stated vehicle weight.


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You don't even understand your own post !! The brakebuddy site chart is easier to understand. Almost every state requires brakes and breakaway.
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You have a 10K hitch on the Alpine, right. Are you saying you don't want to put auxiliary brakes in the toad?
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Put the brakes on. Required by law.
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Last year I had the occasion to experience a short 15% grade of about 1 mile. At the very bottom of the grade was a 25 mph turn to the right.

It was as I neared this sharp corner to the right that I discovered I had forgotten to turn on the brakes in the Jeep. I could feel the Jeep pushing me.

Engine brake was on (and roaring). Air brakes in the coach were working fine, but without the jeep participating in the braking on this steep hill, I felt like I was going to shoot across the opposite lane in the corner. It was very difficult keeping the coach between the ditches, let alone the lines on the road.

Before everyone asks how fast I was going before I started down the hill, I'll tell you that I rolled over the top at about 15 MPH as it was on an unfamiliar twisting rural road in Canada. Mass plus Gravity = simple physics

I double check the brake switch every time now and after that experience I wouldn't tow anything without supplemental brakes and a clean pair of shorts on hand.

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I use the Brakemaster from Roadmaster. I haven't 2001 MiuntainAire and tow a Dodge Dakota and it is amazing the difference in how the coach stops when I have been in a hurry to leave and didn't hook up the airline between vehicles. I can actually feel the toad pushing the MH. Needless to say I stopped at the first possible moment and connected the airline.

I will NOT tow without supplemental brakes whether on a toad or a trailer and not just to be legal when I'm towing. Physics will tell you that mire weight equals longer stopping distance. It doesn't matter if the weight comes from the load in the coach or a toad. The supplemental brakes take some of the load of stopping off the coach and put it on the toad.

Economics is another reason for using a supplemental braking system. When you don't use it you are going to have to brake harder to be able to stop in the same distance as you would without the toad thereby wearing the brakes on the MH out faster. There is a huge difference in the cost of replacing the brakes on the toad over the MH.

Enough if my ranting and raving. The bottom line, as gas already been stated, is use a supplemental braking system.
thanks for all these useful posts...so coming away from all this there is more to consider than if you have the power to pull, and enough brakes to stop..

tow bar failure would be a real eye opener...brake away would be more than horrifieing
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thanks for all these useful posts...so coming away from all this there is more to consider than if you have the power to pull, and enough brakes to stop..

tow bar failure would be a real eye opener...brake away would be more than horrifieing
There ya go!

There's more to think about than pulling it up a hill, and slowing it down a hill !!
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There ya go!

There's more to think about than pulling it up a hill, and slowing it down a hill !!
I been just try'n to think all this out before going and buy'n a bunch of stuff just to tow once or twice a year,,,, usually when we go in the motor home it's to the dunes and we take the enclosed and the two rzr 1000's... when we go to the coast we take bicycles....easier to park...if I tow the jeep in the trailer... royal pain unhooking and hooking back up at rv sites..that and wondering if someone is gonna steal your trailer..
so we were thinking of towing the mall crawler with bikes on the jeep trailer hitch...I always though that the reason for the toad brakes was because the tow vec. didn't have the gvw to stop both...lot of states say that as long as you can stop in so many feet...where some say it has to weigh a certain amount

so I asked here ... figured there are more dps pulling jeeps here than anywhere else....


and Ill tell you...I have been looking since we got the jeep... not one motorhome pulling a jeep had brakes..
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