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Old 08-10-2015, 01:21 AM   #1
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1984 Fleetwood Ralley Starting issues...

Hello all, a bit of back history. While coming home from a weekend trip over memorial weekend our 1984 ford e-350 Ralley withe the 460 engine decided to stop running. It seemed like a fuel issue, after a few different things were tried I finally found a wire harness in the engine compartment that seemed fried. I stripped the wires and connected them together without the harness and presto, it started right up and go us home.Then it sat until this weekend that I began to clean up the wiring and getting it ready for an upcoming trip.

She has always had trouble starting, we got her about 1 year ago and always struggled to start. It would crank and finally catch once the key was released from the starting position. We found out this weekend that it is not normal and when we checked spark we realized that it wasn't sparking while cranking, only when we let the key go from starting to running did it throw a quick spark that is why it was giving us a hard time starting. We replaced the iginition module and now she sparks the entire time you are cranking. She also has a new ignition relay, coil, cap, rotor and wires.

Previous owner decided to change the fuel pump to a holley electric fuel pump. Instead of using the existing fuel pump wires, they ran a wire straight to an accesory point somewhere under the dash. That wire gets power while the key is in the on position and the fuel pump runs but as soon as you crank for start the power cuts off.

So yesterday when I began to clean up the wires that were simply spliced together from out last repair on the side of the road, I noticed other connecters that were burnt up a little or damaged, specifically the one for the ignition model. I cut off the connecters and joined the wires using butt connectors and waterproof tape. All the connections are secure and not loose.

The problem we are having is that she wont start. She has spark, there is fuel coming into the carb that we can smell and a little bit in the main part of the carb underneath the large butterfly when depressing the gas pedal with the keys off but not a large spray. It feels like as long as we are cranking it she is staying on, as soon as we let go of the key she dies down. We tried to spray carb cleaner down the carb and didnt really notice anything different.

Almost feels like once we turn the key away from the start position, there is nothing telling the distributor to continue firing? I have checked the inertia switch and it seems fine. I have in posesion now a new holley fuel pump and plan on switching this tomorrow but thought I would check here first to see if anyone has any ideas?
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Hello all, a bit of back history. While coming home from a weekend trip over memorial weekend our 1984 ford e-350 Ralley withe the 460 engine decided to stop running. It seemed like a fuel issue, after a few different things were tried I finally found a wire harness in the engine compartment that seemed fried. I stripped the wires and connected them together without the harness and presto, it started right up and go us home.Then it sat until this weekend that I began to clean up the wiring and getting it ready for an upcoming trip.

She has always had trouble starting, we got her about 1 year ago and always struggled to start. It would crank and finally catch once the key was released from the starting position. We found out this weekend that it is not normal and when we checked spark we realized that it wasn't sparking while cranking, only when we let the key go from starting to running did it throw a quick spark that is why it was giving us a hard time starting. We replaced the iginition module and now she sparks the entire time you are cranking. She also has a new ignition relay, coil, cap, rotor and wires.

Previous owner decided to change the fuel pump to a holley electric fuel pump. Instead of using the existing fuel pump wires, they ran a wire straight to an accesory point somewhere under the dash. That wire gets power while the key is in the on position and the fuel pump runs but as soon as you crank for start the power cuts off.

So yesterday when I began to clean up the wires that were simply spliced together from out last repair on the side of the road, I noticed other connecters that were burnt up a little or damaged, specifically the one for the ignition model. I cut off the connecters and joined the wires using butt connectors and waterproof tape. All the connections are secure and not loose.

The problem we are having is that she wont start. She has spark, there is fuel coming into the carb that we can smell and a little bit in the main part of the carb underneath the large butterfly when depressing the gas pedal with the keys off but not a large spray. It feels like as long as we are cranking it she is staying on, as soon as we let go of the key she dies down. We tried to spray carb cleaner down the carb and didnt really notice anything different.

Almost feels like once we turn the key away from the start position, there is nothing telling the distributor to continue firing? I have checked the inertia switch and it seems fine. I have in posesion now a new holley fuel pump and plan on switching this tomorrow but thought I would check here first to see if anyone has any ideas?
I am a mech for the last thirty years,some of your descriptions are a little confusing contact me here with your phone number and i will walk you through diagnosis,im retired so i dont mind,im sure we could figure this out.
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