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Old 12-08-2011, 02:21 PM   #15
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From the story Dirk linked above:
The van cutaway chassis is going to be with us for a while yet.
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:49 PM   #16
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Another article. Detroit News.

Autos Insider | Ford steers fleet to Transit | The Detroit News
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:06 AM   #17
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The Detroit News article mentions a 6.8 gas F650. Could that mean the return of an affordable Super C chassis?
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:15 AM   #18
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The Detroit News article mentions a 6.8 gas F650. Could that mean the return of an affordable Super C chassis?
Wouldn't that be interesting - especially if they put the 362 hp 6.8 in it rather than the dumbed down 305/420 that I have in my E450. Imagine having a nice GVWR and GCWR - oh, I forgot, forgive me. The manufacturers will then load them up with all kind of fancy extras and push the UVW much higher to limit the CCC. :( That is what happened with the Kodiaks.
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The 25% reduction in fuel consumption for a 300 lb weight reduction doesn't sound right.

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Ford has announced that the full-size Transit van, slated to begin production in the U.S. in 2013, is already here and in some select customer’s hands for testing.

Trailer/Body Builders reported Ford held a media briefing at its Dearborn, Mich., headquarters and provided an overview of its commercial vehicle lineup, an update on production for its F-650 and F-750 vehicles, and a glimpse at the Transit, which the company had on hand for viewing.
“Our ‘One Ford Plan’ is a plan that started [five years ago] as a global plan, not a regional plan,” said Derrick Kuzak, group vice president-global product development. “It’s only natural that we extend that plan to our commercial vehicles with the Transit as a global van.”

The Transit, currently built in Europe, would be manufactured Ford’s Kansas City assembly plant starting in 2013. The vehicle has been a global success for the company, selling more than 6 million units since its debut. Ford plans to phase out the E-Series cargo van throughout the next decade, replacing it with the Transit as part of its overall strategy to reduce the number of vehicle platforms it offers to around 12 by 2014. A few years ago, Kuzak said, that number was 27. The company estimates that over 80% of its global vehicles will be covered by the 12 platforms.

Ford is making a $1.1 billion investment in the Kansas City facility to produce the Transit, Kuzak added. While specific details on the vehicle, such as powertrain options, have yet to emerge, Tim Stoehr, commercial truck marketing manager, told Fleet Owner that there will be “multiple configurations for multiple applications” in the U.S.

When it debuts, the van will represent the “next generation of the Transit,” Stoehr said, and would be a truly global vehicle, modified slightly for individual markets. In Europe, the van is offered in three roof heights, four lengths, and with three diesel engine options and in cargo, passenger and chassis cab configurations.

The E-Series van that the Transit will eventually replace has been Ford’s best-selling commercial van for more than 32 years.
“E-Series really has been our commercial workhorse,” said Rob Stevens, chief engineer-commercial truck. “It is well over half of the van market today. The E-Series van is really focused on the commercial market.”
One big advantage of the new Transit, Ford said, is the weight savings over the current E-Series model.

“The weight savings is at least 300 pounds, which translates to improved fuel economy,” Kuzak said. “That’s what it’s all about, substantial savings to the bottom line of our commercial customers.”
That weight savings should translate to about 25% better fuel economy than a similar E-Series van, Ford said.
Ford is building a new test road at its Michigan Proving Grounds to simulate the expected conditions and applications that the Transit will face here in North America.
Ford also announced that its F-650 and F-750 vehicles, currently made in Mexico under agreement with Navistar, will be manufactured at Ford’s Ohio Assembly Plant, which now produces the E-Series van. Ford and Navistar have discontinued their Blue Diamond Truck LLC joint venture. The Ohio plant will also produce the E-450 stripped chassis, which Ford will continue to make even after phasing out the E-Series cargo van, as well as the company’s F-53 and F-59 stripped chassis products.
“It really is about dedicating that plant to the commercial industry,” Kuzak said.
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The 25% reduction in fuel consumption for a 300 lb weight reduction doesn't sound right.
I see the point that you are trying to make however consider this, and increased capacity of 300 lbs is a good thing no matter how you look at it.

The "new" ECO-Boost engine installed in the Transit van might just surprise you in regard to MPG values. This is not a Triton series engine.

At the National Rally in Urbanna, VA this year we were all introduced to the ECO-Boost engine in a seminar presented by Dan Snyder from Ford Motor Company.
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I see the point that you are trying to make however consider this, and increased capacity of 300 lbs is a good thing no matter how you look at it.

The "new" ECO-Boost engine installed in the Transit van might just surprise you in regard to MPG values. This is not a Triton series engine.

At the National Rally in Urbanna, VA this year we were all introduced to the ECO-Boost engine in a seminar presented by Dan Snyder from Ford Motor Company.
I'm familiar with the Eco-Boost and know that it is selling very well in the pickups. I opted for the standard when I bought my Flex. The EB requires premium fuel.

This about this. If you get a 25% reduction in fuel used by cutting 300 lbs, what happens when you add 300 lbs. Or 1000 lbs. Or like many of us (when I had larger units) 2000 lbs. I still think they erred.

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Perhaps it's time for Ford to build conventional C type on a conventional F series chassis.
Extend the wheelbase of an F550 and go from there our Phoenix on the E450 chassis has a 206" wheelbase).

But, by all means, put a power blister on the hood and use the higher 6.8L engine that is now in Class A models.

And, maybe the 4WD option wouldn't cost as much as putting it onto an E450.

Just thinking here.
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Perhaps it's time for Ford to build conventional C type on a conventional F series chassis. Extend the wheelbase of an F550 and go from there our Phoenix on the E450 chassis has a 206" wheelbase).
rmmpe, There have already been Type C motorhomes built on F series cab and chassis. Nothing new there.

If you did have a F series cab and chassis there would be no need for a blister because the high output V10 is already available for the F series.
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Mike, have you found any further information on the disposition of the F-53 chassis?

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Mike, have you found any further information on the disposition of the F-53 chassis?
Jim, here you go:

Here is the latest iformation: (which is intended to clear up misunderstandings in the Press Release)
  • E-Series VANS and WAGONS will be discontinued, but there are no plans to discontinue the Cutaways used for Class C motorhomes. Cutaways will continue to be built at the Avon Lake plant in Ohio. The 14,500 lb GVWR is a popular choice for motorhome, ambulance, shuttle bus and commercial builders. Last month, according to Stat Survey, 95% of all Class C's (under 16,000 lb) were built on a Ford chassis. There are no plans to discontinue cutaways.
  • The full size Transit will be built in Kansas City (that has been announced). It will be a direct competitor to Sprinter. This will be an addition to the E-450 cutaway and compliment the Class C motorhome chassis line-up. Timing and product details will be announced in the Spring.
  • F53 will continue production. Assembly will move from the Detroit Chassis Plant in Detroit to Avon Lake in Ohio. There are no plans to discontinue F53. F53 is currently the only gas Class A chassis in the market. Ford will continue to make product improvements each year on this chassis. The assembly plant move should be a seamless process for the builders and industry.
  • Also, somewhat related, F-650/750 medium truck assembly will be relocated from Mexico to Avon Lake Ohio as well. The F-650 will be introduced this Spring with the 6.8L Triton 3-valve gas engine (same as F53).
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DriVer,
I was not aware of that (probably because I don't recall seeing one).
Having the engine out of the way and cooling things down a bit would be great benefits.
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Great news, thanks Mike, now if we could just convince Ford to build an f53 rear engine gas chassis that would be the icing on the cake.

Thanks again for the information,

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