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navy boy JIM · 02-22-2017, 01:48 PM

Don t want to make BIG mistake ! With full timing a Class C . Looked at a 31 foot C Class with a 1200lb. OCCC !!!!! Seems REALLY Low , anyone know C Class RVs with a higher OCCC allowance ? 25 - 32 foot range ? I m wanting to buy new Model ....... THX

Steeljag · 02-22-2017, 02:26 PM

We ordered the Forest River Forester 3011DS. With our options, we should be at about OCCC 1500 / 1600 lbs. ( compared to models we looked at with same floor plan and similar options).

No, it's not a lot! But, it will be mostly be just the two of us, a few weeks at a time, flat towing, and carrying just enough water for an occasional rest area stop if needed.

Full timing may be difficult, but doable !

Good luck and enjoy the adventure !

Mich F · 02-22-2017, 02:34 PM

My 2014 Itasca Spirit 32 1/2' 31K,(identical to the Minnie Winnie) has a 3,275# OCCC. I don't know if newer ones have changed all that much.

Steeljag · 02-22-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mich F

My 2014 Itasca Spirit 32 1/2' 31K,(identical to the Minnie Winnie) has a 3,275# OCCC. I don't know if newer ones have changed all that much.

WOW, that is a lot for a C ! That's the numbers on the yellow and white OCCC sticker within the RV ?

Any slides on your unit ?

Mich F · 02-22-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeljag

WOW, that is a lot for a C ! That's the numbers on the yellow and white OCCC sticker within the RV ?

Any slides on your unit ?

Yes that's the number from the yellow stickers on both cab doors. I had it weighed (just one time). My wife and I were in the MH, it was fully loaded for camping, about 3/4 tank of fuel, and it weighed 11,940# - 880# under steer axle rating and 1,780# under drive axle rating.

It has one slide 11-12' or so

Here's the weight slip

l1v3fr33ord1 · 02-22-2017, 03:22 PM

Jim-

You've asked about Class C coaches in previous posts. There were some thoughtful responses. Did you use them to narrow down the candidates?

You are not the only one asking this question (see one of "rvlegaleagle"'s threads here.)

Is having or not having slides a deal-breaker for you?

Do you plan on moving around often, or sitting?

Do you plan to tow a car?

I think you'll find is that the manufacturer brochures sometimes "omit" OCCC specs. Why would that be? If you do amass a pile of legitimate OCCC numbers, it would be of service to the rest of iRV2 to put them in a thread or other resource available to the folks here.

From what little I've seen, the longer the Class C the lower the OCCC, for the same chassis. What that means, practically, is that if you want OCCC you pick a shorter coach- but that affects the room you have to live aboard. Or, pick a chassis other than the E-450.

Or pick a Class A on the F-53 chassis.

In my opinion (you know what those are worth), if you plan to live in this coach there are many factors of coach design and construction more important than OCCC.

Mich F · 02-22-2017, 03:33 PM

Here's the OCCC sticker

Steeljag · 02-22-2017, 03:52 PM

Very good numbers ! I just compared your unit with the one I ordered, and they are very similar, almost identical in floor plan and specs!

You unit does not show a rear slide? Did you get the four door fridge ?

Even with that, there shouldn't be that much difference in CCC.

Industry change in how CCC is measured ?

I need to do some more homework....LOL !

l1v3fr33ord1 · 02-22-2017, 04:00 PM

MichF-

Does your coach have another label in it (perhaps in a cupboard) that lists the OCCC computations? It'd be interesting to know the UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight).

Mich F · 02-22-2017, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by l1v3fr33ord1

MichF-

Does your coach have another label in it (perhaps in a cupboard) that lists the OCCC computations? It'd be interesting to know the UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight).

No other labels. I assume they just took the 14,500# GVWR, subtracted the vehicle weight to come up with the 3,275" OCCC, which would result in a vehicle weight, including a full tank of gas, of 11,225#. No other computations involved ?

rapid rick · 02-22-2017, 04:35 PM

My 2013 fleetwood terra 35k, on a 22000lb chassis, has a occc of over 5,000 lbs. It is one of the highest that I have ever seen, and yes it is correct amount.

Mich F · 02-22-2017, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeljag

Very good numbers ! I just compared your unit with the one I ordered, and they are very similar, almost identical in floor plan and specs!

You unit does not show a rear slide? Did you get the four door fridge ?

Even with that, there shouldn't be that much difference in CCC.

Industry change in how CCC is measured ?

I need to do some more homework....LOL !

It just has the one slide in the living area. Has a 2 door fridge. No changes in how OCCC is measured. To have that much OCCC in a 32 1/2' class C (which is more than a lot of class As), you're not going to have marble counter tops, hyd. leveling jacks, or a host of other "upgrades". It is fine for my wife and I, as we have no complaints, more than enough room, and much more load capacity than we need.

youracman · 02-22-2017, 08:47 PM

Most folks know all about CCC's and OCCC's; but for those who don't, I have copied the info below from the "RV Forum". Someone there did a yeoman's job of documenting it in their glossary long ago.

By way of explanation, the "SCWR" value is/was calculated by multiplying the number of seat belt positions in the MH X 154 lb. So, in the CCC case, your actual cargo carrying number is helped if less than the max number of passengers are on board; e.g., 2 people instead of 8.

I do know that a few years ago, the GVWR for the E450 got uprated by 500 lb (good news for owners of the newer rigs) but doesn't help me much (neither does my HWH leveling system "add on". :^) All in all, enviable numbers, Mitch F ........... wish I had 'em.

CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity

Prior to June 2, 2008, the RVIA standard weight label defined CCC as follows:

CCC or Cargo Carrying Capacity is equal to GVWR minus UVW plus the weight of fresh water in the tank and hot water heater, the weight of propane in the tank, and the SCWR. For the mathematically inclined:

CCC = GVWR - (UVW + SCWR + Propane + Water)

OCCC (Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity)

As of June 2, 2008, the Federal DOT mandated a new weight label for motorhomes called the OCCC label. This replaces the previous RVIA CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity) label and redefines how it is calcuated. OCCC is defined to be the difference between the motorhome GVWR and its unladen weight (ULW), but it requires that the ULW include a full tank of fuel and propane. Thus the OCCC gives the weight you have available for all passengers, gear, food, clothing, etc., plus any trailer tongue weight carried by the coach.

Safe travels............... ed s

DrSafety · 02-23-2017, 07:36 AM

Mich F,

Your post has given me some encouragement as we decide if a class C is the correct choice for us. I have been concerned about OCCC in a 30 ft + vehicle. Based on my calculations you must travel very light (800 lbs for you, your wife, and your gear based on the scale readout - also assuming empty water tank) or I am overestimating the amount weight for our camping gear. Not being very swelt, My wife and I would eat up half over half the 800lbs. So maybe a 1600 lb OCC isn't that bad for just the two of us.