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Old 08-16-2018, 05:10 PM   #1
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Is Small Class C Under powered ?

In the past i have had 2 43' Tags..One a Newmar, and then a Entegra.. We sold them because they were only used once a year to go to Florida..We are thinking that if we were to get a small class C we would use it more.. (say a 24', like a Forest River, Dynamax ISATA 3...Or Coachman PRISM..) They or powered by a Ford Econoline or a Mercedes Sprinter Platform. Both engines. (Ford or Mercedes the Torque is 325 to 350 #s.) My lunch Buddies tell me, "You will sorry, those do not have enough power to pull up a hill", "Get one with a Ford Power Stroke that has 900 #s of torque." I tell them I do not want to go over 25 feet, and those are the chassis they are put on..

I would like to hear from some of you that own coach that is on the Mercedes Sprinter, or Ford Econoline chassis.Thanks
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For power the V-10 Ford will do better than the Mercedes for less money. The Mercedes will give you bragging rights on fuel economy but most are not rates to pull a significant towed. If you are staying under 25 ft to avoid having a towed you are significantly limiting your options. Nobody I've seen is putting a power stroke in a motor home chassis these days. Probably because it would cost a bundle more while not making a lot of difference,
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:27 PM   #3
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My thinking is that I could go places with a 24' that I found difficult to go when I had the 43' Coaches. Pulling a 43' with a Ford F150 in tow..
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:56 PM   #4
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As a Navion owner i can say without reservation that onr of the strenghts of the Mercedes Sprinter is its ability to climb hills with no fuss. Take the time to drive one and see for your self.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:59 PM   #5
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In my original post I should have said FORD TRANSIT,,, NOT ECONOLINE
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:12 PM   #6
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Transit is a different deal. No idea what they will do. I doubt they will tow an F-150 but I could easily be wrong.
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:04 PM   #7
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Prism on Sprinter chassis - has already pulled our Suby toad thru West VA mountains, CO Rockies, etc. I back off on climbs and follow the big trucks (Hey, I'm on vacation, why rush???), but could probably push it harder without issue. Really happy with the power of the little diesel!
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:11 AM   #8
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Wink There's no replacement for displacement...

The 6.8L Ford V-10 provides 305 HP at 4,250 rpm and 420# of torque at 3,250 rpm. If you are going to tow anything heavy the V-10 is the way to go. The Chevy 6L V-8 has similar numbers and is also a good choice.

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First off, you need some new buddies. If you want a way to compare the little guys to the big ones, try measuring lbs/torque per lb of motorhome or you could do hp/lb of motorhome. I think you will find the numbers remarkably similar.
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:34 AM   #10
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I have a 24' MBS Sprinter and tow a 2 dr Jeep JK all over the Rockies and over passes here in Oregon. It has good power, pulls grades well and yes, sometimes you are in the right lane being passed, but I have also passed gas Class A's struggling up grades. Drive one, and see for yourself, rather than basing a decision off other peoples opinions. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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The Ford V10 is an able machine. Pulls ID mountains fine with my 26 ft dual slide Leprechaun towing Jeep Patriot.

The tow/haul mode is as good as the one with exhaust brake was on my Cummins diesel RAM w 25 ft trailer. Only touch the brakes a couple times to downshift.

Mileage sucks though: 8.
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Question Huh???

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First off, you need some new buddies. If you want a way to compare the little guys to the big ones, try measuring lbs/torque per lb of motorhome or you could do hp/lb of motorhome. I think you will find the numbers remarkably similar.

Not sure what you are talking about... I need some new buddies???

Just for grins I compared the numbers as you suggest and my E-350 GVWR of 11,500 vs the new Winnabago View GVWR 11,030:

On HP 305 vs 188 my E-350 has 35% more per pound.

On Torque 420 vs 325 my E-350 has 20% more per pound.

Not really all that similar.

Keep in mind that you also give up a lot of payload with the Mercedes Chassis vs the Ford. No point throwing large Class C's into this equation as the Mercedes is only found in 24 footers {mas y menos}.

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Most of the Transit chassis MH's are built on the gas engine. I don't think very many people order the diesel and some MH builders may not even offer it.

The Transit chassis, at least for the Winnebago Fuse is not limited in towing, as it has a 5K drawbar pull and 350 lb hitch weight limit, so a small car would be an easy pull. The WBO comes with the Diesel and the power figures match the Sprinter.

https://winnebagoind.com/binaries/co...-digital.x.pdf

The Coachman Orion, also a Transit chassis comparable to the Fuse, is gas only and has a 2000 lb hitch limit, probably due to frame extension strength.

http://www.coachmenrv.com/product-details.aspx?LineID=272&Image=9198

You will need to do a lot of shopping and comparison as the specifications for the Transit chassis MH's vary widely by manufacturer.



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We have downsized from a larger class A just as the original poster is considering. We now have a Winnebago Fuse on the Ford Transit Turbo Diesel Chassis and we love it. It drives like a nice late model classy pickup...easy and smooth. No problems going up mountains here in Oregon. Pull a 2600 pound car. OCCC specs are at 1270 pounds.....larger than almost all the Sprinter chassis 24 footers that we looked at. Must point out in response to a previous poster, though, that towing 5000 pounds is well beyond the safe specification of Ford. The GCWR is 13,500 pounds — the GVWR is 10,360 pounds. You do the math. Despite having a 5000 pound rated hitch, this RV should not be towing anything close to 5000 pound. Still, we love it, with our smaller toad.....which we rarely need since this RV Park’s most anywhere we need to, anyway.
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