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Old 04-12-2012, 11:20 AM   #1
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On Demand Hydrogen on Carb 350?

Ok... Gas. Need I say more? Is ANYONE running an HHO system? I sold cars for years, during which I met a guy with a 60 mpg carolla. The tech seems sound, but I'd like to get more practical application input from those more experienced with these systems. Any thoughts?
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Old 04-12-2012, 01:21 PM   #2
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Ok... Gas. Need I say more? Is ANYONE running an HHO system? I sold cars for years, during which I met a guy with a 60 mpg carolla. The tech seems sound, but I'd like to get more practical application input from those more experienced with these systems. Any thoughts?
i have been told (and believe) it takes more energy to convert the hydrogen from water than what you get back ,even in physics aint no free lunch.
if it did work dont you think auto maker would just do it rather than spend millions of dollars on getting just 1 more mpg out just to meet cafe standards' all this being said some one will claim they did it and offer the plans for only just a few $$$s
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Good point. But, I think it's worth looking into. Big oil likes profit, for one. And the technology is out there. You can youtube a lot more than I could tell ya. I was more interested in finding out if anyone had run the setup on a carbed motor. But, thanks.
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vaporized snake oil.
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I just spent 2 weeks researching HHO. I decided not to spend the time and money on a system. For every "good" review there are 2 bad ones. If you look on Ebay you will see many parts and systems for sale. One seller states that you can't get more than 2 LPM out of one in a 12v system and goes on to prove it. 20 others say their system produces 3,4,6, and 8 LPM's so they are lying.

If they are lying about that then what else are they lying about? The wet cell people say their unit produces more LPM's than the dry cell and the dry cell people say theirs is better.

There were a few white papers from engineers that I read on the web that said the HHO system would reduce emissions but would not do anything for MPG. Until I can find proof that one works, which type it is, I won't be messing with it.
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...if it did work dont you think auto maker would just do it rather than spend millions of dollars on getting just 1 more mpg ...
Actually the REAL problem with this (or any alternative fuel) is the end-consumer DISTRIBUTION system (and of course the upstream feeder distribution systems). That is where the $$multi-$$multi-Billions (that is a B) of dollars to create an entirely new distribution platform in every town USA becomes the ultimate limiting factor.

Not to mention essentially destroying/replacing the existing livelihood of hundreds of thousands of local gasoline station employees.

End consumer DISTRIBUTION historically and continues to be the primary roadblock that makes alternative fuels - at least for now - basically impossible.
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Actually the REAL problem with this (or any alternative fuel) is the end-consumer DISTRIBUTION system (and of course the upstream feeder distribution systems). That is where the $$multi-$$multi-Billions (that is a B) of dollars to create an entirely new distribution platform in every town USA becomes the ultimate limiting factor.

Not to mention essentially destroying/replacing the existing livelihood of hundreds of thousands of local gasoline station employees.

End consumer DISTRIBUTION historically and continues to be the primary roadblock that makes alternative fuels - at least for now - basically impossible.
i agree but if you look up these hydrogen generators on google they claim to use tap water,we really dont need alternate energy we have all the natural gas ,oil, and coal we need for the next several hundred years, when i took civics in my senior year of high school we where told 20 years of oil left at the very most and that was 50 years ago further if drilling and harvesting our natural resources damages the eco system how come if doesnt hurt mexico,middle east,or the gulf so long as it goes somewhere else
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seems there are a lot of varied opinions, even here. I've posted the question in other forums, as well, and will certaily repost anything that seems pertinent, here. I feel very similarly to TN. I think the current wealth structure defines what we use, not ingenuity and developement. ...unfortunately. As for having plenty of fuel from other sources, I worked in NG production for a long time. We're gonna tap out sooner than most people think. I'm not trying to save the environment or anything, I'm just trying to fill up for less, less often.
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A cold thread,but here in Rochester,NY is the test grounds for GM's HHO cars with a filling station at the Roch airport.Even with all the tech and safety policies in place,I think it was two yrs ago we had a explosion//fire at that filling station.Damage to people's hearing two miles away.It is for certain one of the most unstable fuels going.Minor static electricity sets it off.Outlawed by NHRA yrs ago.Not for the shade tree mechanic to fool with.I am a certified dangerous goods specialist.
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If it really worked and someone could prove it, it would be on the market big time and someone would be very rich. I agree the big oil companies don't want to see it succeed but even they couldn't stop it if it worked.

I have a degree in physics and can tell you everything that is done has an equal and opposite reaction so you only get out of it what you put in. Until someone can find a way to overcome this nothing will work to improve gas millage. I think in the future we will see some advances in this direction but for now it's snake oil....
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There are some working examples. Google Bob Boyce. I've known him personally for over 15 years.
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vaporized snake oil.
Very well said. Or another acronym: TANSTAAFL.

HHO is great for the folks selling it.

But there is no advantage.. Less you buy your "H H" in bulk from a dealer (And get the "O" for free) If you buy the HHO in liquid form..

You are only going to get soaked.
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If it were simple, cost-effective and obeyed the laws of chemistry and thermodynamics to utilize water as a fuel by electrolysis of hydrogen, don't you think we'd all be driving hydrogen-powered vehicles right now? A number of manufacturers are testing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles today, but availability of a hydrogen fuel supply infrastructure is a major hurdle to be overcome. If it were as simple as fueling up at home with a garden hose, I guarantee you these vehicle manufacturers would be designing their hydrogen fuel cell vehicles to do just that!

The reason we can't fuel a fuel cell vehicle with water is that it takes more energy to break the water molecule apart by electrolysis into 2H2 + O2 than is gained by combining 2H2 + O2 into 2H2O (which is what a hydrogen fuel cell does).

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Its not simple but Bob is making excellent strides in his experiments. Its well worth joining and reading who is making progress and who's not.
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