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Old 07-22-2014, 09:46 PM   #127
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Old 07-23-2014, 06:43 AM   #128
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9 pages of this thread and 8 of it are the definition of B, B+, C, ,..... RVs

Please make this merrey-go-round stop!!

As the old saying goes, "A closed mind gathers no knowledge.".

I guess some still believe that if you repeat yourself enough eventually you can overcome almost any obstacle, truth, science, facts, anything.
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:10 PM   #129
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As the old saying goes, "A closed mind gathers no knowledge.".

I guess some still believe that if you repeat yourself enough eventually you can overcome almost any obstacle, truth, science, facts, anything.
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:00 AM   #130
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That is a Class C. It's built on a chassis cab. If the body was made by the OEM who provided the chassis, then it would be a Class B and you could call it anything else in addition to that if you desire to do so.

When I first started researching RVs I don't believe that the B+ designation was in use. So I think that is a sales gimmick with a negative connotation.

You are also incorrect, as are many people in using the term cars to refer to trucks. In fact... the term CAR TECHNICALLY does not apply to road going vehicles and is used incorrectly.

A CAR is part of a train which does not itself have a propulsion engine. Cars are towed by locomotives. Just as people for some strange reason refer to the IC engines (ICE) mounted on the transom of small boats as MOTORS, and virtually all other uses of ICE as engines, language is often imprecise and misleading.

By the way, SUV are trucks. Crossovers are also trucks. The difference between and SUV and a Crossover, similar to RV classes, is what type of chassis they are built on. An SUV is built, typically, on a ladder frame truck chassis (like all RV motorhomes that I am familiar with). A Crossover is generally smaller, because it is typically built on an automobile chassis which is unit body construction. Crossovers don't have the SEVERE roll over problems that SUVs do as a result.

You are also wrong to suggest that people know what a B+ is supposed to be. It's NOT an official designation. I've seen it applied to Class C RV of both the cabover and non-cabover design.

Your RV is NOT a van conversion so it is not a Class B, it's a Class C. And NO the B+ does not look like a duck and doesn't handle like one either. Ergo, a B+ is not a duck, or a Class C RV.

A Winnebago ERA is a Class B. The Trend, while quite small, is a Class C. Your RV is of the same basic style as the Trend. Because of it's smooth front cabover, some DEALERS would try to call it a B+. That doesn't make them correct. And the "manufacturers" who do so are just being sloppy.

You can call your RV whatever you want to. If you call it a B+ then I expect to see something like a Mark III conversion VAN, not a factory built home on a chassis cab.

This discussion should be a dead horse by now. No ONE EVER changes their opinion when discussed in a forum in any event. If you really want people to know what type of RV you have, because of the inaccuracy of the B+ designation, you would be better off showing them a photo.

There is no benefit to describing your RV as a Class B+ when all that does is convey the WRONG impression to many people who do read the RVIA documentation. Since this is the industry talking, some people would think they are the authoritative source.

If you know automobile dealers, they are often very sloppy with the way they talk, act, etc. So are the people who are in power sports, etc. etc.

Since a Canada Goose looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck, and sounds like a Duck, some people would call it a Duck. That doesn't make it so. The basic difference between a Duck and a Goose is size and style.
Whether you know it or not you are actually MAKING my point. People, owners, industry writers, manufacturers all make up names as they see fit, AND other use whatever name they prefer, and guess what they are allowed to.
Secondly, there are NO RULES, no ONE be all end all dictionary that mandates ( even the government) rules on names and definitions.

More proof, not ALL SUV's are trucks, not all Crossovers are cars. No one on teh planet would call the Cadillac SRX a truck. Or the Chevy
Avalanche a crossover "car".
Just so you know, the manufacturers, the RVIA, and other are far, far, behind the times. Just because the RVIA doesn't call a SMALL class C a B+ or a HUGE class C a SUPER C or C+, doesn't make it so. Deny it all you want, but the times they be a changin.

Actually the micro definitions of B+, Super C, C+, make defining those vehicles more precise that lumping everything into one category.

Sorta like lumping all your money in your pocket...YES it's all money, but there are 1's, 5's, 10's and change, which helps define your "MONEY"

Lastly to bring you and others into the 2014's...here's a link with a clear definition of a class B+
Difference Between Class B & Class C RVs | USA Today
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Old 08-19-2014, 07:33 AM   #132
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If you read the article:

Class B motor homes, sometimes called van conversions, start out as minivans.

I want to see a B that started as a minivan... ;-))
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I want to see a B that started as a minivan... ;-))
Ok, here you go.


http://www.westfalia-mobil.net/en/mo...ker-wohnen.php
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That's not a mini-van it's a full sized van. It was also the basis, in a Chassis Cab Class C, for the Winnebago 22' Rialta. The Westphalia is a Van Conversion Class B.

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I think you're mistaken. It's built on a Volkswagen van, which is definitely NOT a full-size van.

I think you're thinking of the Sprinter-based unit.
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I think you're mistaken. It's built on a Volkswagen van, which is definitely NOT a full-size van.

I think you're thinking of the Sprinter-based unit.
No, I am not. This is a Rialta which is a 22 Foot RV. Westphalia makes a variety of Class B van conversions including those built on Transporters and Sprinter (a neighbor had a Sprinter version).




This is a VW VAN RV currently in production. It's called the Doubleback. The VW Bus was not large enough to add the type of body seen on the Rialta. Even then the single rear wheels of the Rialta were highly stressed causing their availability to be restricted to Continental tires only:



It's based on the Transporter Van. VW was until recently in a production agreement with Daimler-Benz and was co-producing the Sprinter. That has now ended as Sprinter sales have caused MB to end the agreement. VW will start making a similar (to the Sprinter which was being provided to them by MB) truck in Poland. VW owns several truck brand lines.

Some people say that this is the first RV to be created (It's a VW Bus):
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because I sure wouldn't consider a Volksy Transporter a 'full size' van.

BTW, I'm not sure about that 'first' RV either, Henry Ford was making RV's on Model T's back when those were new trucks and my grand-parents were part of the Tin Can Tourists Club in the 30's and there was already some 15,000 members.

Tough to be the first RV when it's built on a chassis that hadn't even been created yet by some 30 odd years.
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FWIW the reason I posted my last comment was to show the editor of the article was an idiot. I never heard of minivans until Chrysler came out with the front engine, front drive kid hauler to replace the station wagon. VW may not be an Econoline but it is not a Chryler front drive soccer mom box either.
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FWIW the reason I posted my last comment was to show the editor of the article was an idiot. I never heard of minivans until Chrysler came out with the front engine, front drive kid hauler to replace the station wagon. VW may not be an Econoline but it is not a Chryler front drive soccer mom box either.
VW's largest commercial van is... was rather, the MB Sprinter, called the Crafter. MB and VW have now ceased this cooperation as Sprinter sales have increased dramatically. VW's new Sprinter van type will be made in a new factory being built in Poland.



The VW/Sprinter long wheelbase model's wheelbase is 170" long. The Ford E-350 Econoline Extended WB is 138" in the long version. It is available in a passenger bus version that is SAFE to drive where USA 12 and 15 passenger vans are under government advisory to NOT load any passengers behind the rear axle due to many fatal accidents. USA van growth has increased less than that of European vans. The VW Transporter based Rialta in 1995 was vastly superior in space utilization and fuel economy to US made vans which were larger at that time. The Rialta Wheelbase was 152" compared to the Ford E-350 Extended at 138"

No modern RV in the USA was ever built on a Minivan chassis, to my knowledge. The Winnebago Rialta though, was front drive and did get 20 mpg at first and 18 later when the engine size was increased. This was a VW commercial truck chassis cab conversion, a Class C. Van conversions based on an Econoline VAN are Class B.


I agree that the writer of the referenced article claiming to identify the RV classes made a mistake. As I recall, the first Class B was a Mark III conversion van built on then then largest US made van class.

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