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Old 08-24-2016, 02:29 PM   #15
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Escapees members repeat this claim over and over again that there is something "special" with respect to the address provided by the Escapees mail service. There are at least a dozen mail services that I know of in SD that provide equally acceptable addresses for legal purposes as well as several others in FL.

ALL mail service addresses are known to the postal service as PMBs (private mail boxes) and all of them are identified as such on databases used by major financial and credit card companies. You are naive if you think the Escapees address is not also noted as a PMB. The fact that is a "street address" and not a box has no affect on whether or not it is identified as a PMB.
[moderator edit] Try changing you OFFICIAL bank account address (NOT THE MAILING ADDRESS) to a PMB and watch what happens.

The Escapees address IS an officially recognized Texas domicile address. Call the Polk Country Clerk to verify.
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I think I've read somewhere that someone used a piece of land they owned as an address. I can maybe see that from a license standpoint. But it's of no use from the mail standpoint so how do you make that work?.
Occasionally banks and credit card issuers ask for an address other than a mail service to comply with Patriot Act requirements. Most of them don't but some do.

Fortunately, the Act permits you to use a variety of addresses to fulfill that requirement. The address of a piece of land you own would be an acceptable response as is the address of a child or other relative (or even that of a friend). The address used for this purpose doesn't become the address for the account.
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Occasionally banks and credit card issuers ask for an address other than a mail service to comply with Patriot Act requirements. Most of them don't but some do.

Fortunately, the Act permits you to use a variety of addresses to fulfill that requirement. The address of a piece of land you own would be an acceptable response as is the address of a child or other relative (or even that of a friend). The address used for this purpose doesn't become the address for the account.
Mostly true. But I do believe that that address WOULD become the official address on record for that account. But you could also add a mailing address.

Believe me I know, because I've been through it as a FullTimer. Not because I read it somewhere.
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Let me throw a monkey wrench into this conversation. What about for gun or concealed carry license/permits? Can you use the PMB in Florida?
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Try changing you OFFICIAL bank account address (NOT THE MAILING ADDRESS) to a PMB and watch what happens.

The Escapees address IS an officially recognized Texas domicile address. Call the Polk Country Clerk to verify. .
What the other person posted is exactly correct. There is nothing magic about the Escapees address. Like other long-standing mailing services they have established informal relationships with local government bureaucrats. In other words, the local County Clerk, DMV, etc., "know who they are". And, they have gone to court a couple of times. But the court rulings do NOT apply especially to the Escapees address. They apply to all similar services in Texas. And similar services in other states like SD and FL have similar relationships with the local gov't.
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Mostly true. But I do believe that that address WOULD become the official address on record for that account. But you could also add a mailing address.

Believe me I know, because I've been through it as a FullTimer. Not because I read it somewhere.
Sorry, that is not, as a generalization, correct. Certainly the Patriot Act does not require that. I won't say that "no" institution makes that the account address, but most do not.
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Sorry, that is not, as a generalization, correct. Certainly the Patriot Act does not require that. I won't say that "no" institution makes that the account address, but most do not.
Speaking from personal experience, most institutions DO accept the PMB as the account address. Some banks, credit card issuers and stock brokers will try to argue that they need another address but, when you explain how you full-time RV and that's the only address there is, they accept it. I went around the horn with American Express about five times but, eventually, they accepted.

By the way, read the Patriot Act portion that pertains to this subject. It's actually quite vague about specifics. What it does say is that institutions need to "know" their account holders. If you become familiar with what the Act says and doesn't say, you'll be prepared to enlighten any institutions that say they need another address because they are only complying with the Act.

So... the take away is: PMBs are accepted by... well... all institutions, in my experience. You might just need to talk to them for a while and explain what you're doing and why that's your sole address.
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Hi Chuck,

So you're saying that the address from the mail delivery service can be used for a drivers license right?
Yes, that is what I'm saying. Chuck
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There are only three states that will accept a mailing service (not PO Box) address as a residence address for a drivers license: Florida, Texas, South Dakota.
And you know this how?

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Which is why you see those states crop up over and over again. As a generalization (there are some very limited exceptions) in any other state you need to use a physical residential address in that state for your drivers license. It could be a relative, it could be property you own, whatever, but it has to be a physical residential address.
Again, how do you know this?
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There are only three states that will accept a mailing service (not PO Box) address as a residence address for a drivers license: Florida, Texas, South Dakota. Which is why you see those states crop up over and over again. As a generalization (there are some very limited exceptions) in any other state you need to use a physical residential address in that state for your drivers license. It could be a relative, it could be property you own, whatever, but it has to be a physical residential address.

Well, it all works for me out of PA. SD and FL are magnets cuz of no state tax, but PA does not tax my SS or pension. They DO get me for vehicle tags.... under $300 per year!
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I get tired of the "experts" who know everything. Go ahead use your PMB as your domicile address for your CCW, drivers license, tag and title, voters registration, insurance, official state tax address and everything else. File your state and Federal tax returns with it.

It will work... until it doesn't. Years ago IRV2 was a place where you could get "the real deal". Today, not so much.

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Mostly true. But I do believe that that address WOULD become the official address on record for that account. But you could also add a mailing address.

Believe me I know, because I've been through it as a FullTimer. Not because I read it somewhere.
And we've been through it as full-timers also and the address DOES NOT have to become the address for the account.

Under the Patriot Act the only purpose of that address serves is as a place where someone might know where you are.
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The Escapees address IS an officially recognized Texas domicile address. Call the Polk Country Clerk to verify.
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There is nothing magic about the Escapees address. Like other long-standing mailing services they have established informal relationships with local government bureaucrats. In other words, the local County Clerk, DMV, etc., "know who they are". And, they have gone to court a couple of times. But the court rulings do NOT apply especially to the Escapees address. They apply to all similar services in Texas. And similar services in other states like SD and FL have similar relationships with the local gov't.
The only two Escapee court cases that I know of are Curtis v Smith and Speights v Willis. They're both voting rights cases.

In short, before the Nov 7, 2000 elections, three people challenged the fact that the 9,000 or so Escapees members in Polk County, TX were actual bona fide residents. The three wanted all the Escapees purged from the voting roles.

That didn't happen. The court ruled that while a case could be made for excluding individual Escapee members, excluding every members en masse was not right. The only way to exclude all Escapee members would be to find that each member was in some way not a bona fide resident. The three who brought this cases hadn't done their homework.

A lot of folks, especially Escapee members, seem to interpret these court cases as proof that an Escapees mailing address is indeed "magical" -- for example, that using an Escapee's address will get you out of Patriot Act address requirements. Not so.
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By the way, read the Patriot Act portion that pertains to this subject. It's actually quite vague about specifics. What it does say is that institutions need to "know" their account holders. If you become familiar with what the Act says and doesn't say, you'll be prepared to enlighten any institutions that say they need another address because they are only complying with the Act.
Not true. Financial institutions are required to set up a CIP (Customer Information Programs) in order to prevent money laundering.

The specifics for the Customer Information is described here (page 480, right column bottom):

(1) Name;
(2) Date of birth, for an individual;
(3) Address, which shall be:
(i) For an individual, a residential or
business street address;
(ii) For an individual who does not
have a residential or business street
address, an Army Post Office (APO) or
Fleet Post Office (FPO) box number, or
the residential or business street ad-
dress of next of kin or of another con-
tact individual
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If a financial institution challenges your address, all you'll need is a physical address of a next of kin or another contact. If you get push back, ask to speak with the Compliance Officer.
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