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Old 12-14-2015, 01:42 PM   #1
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Another Carbon Monoxide Warning

Too late for these two men. Be aware.

Siskiyou deputy discover two dead in camper - Redding
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Old 12-14-2015, 03:42 PM   #2
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Too late for these two men. Be aware.

Siskiyou deputy discover two dead in camper - Redding
Thank you for this post. This was a senseless tragedy. I am thankful I had an alarm in my home when my furnace malfunctioned. Sensors are cheap just make sure you test it frequently. Also if you tire of changing batteries, Kidde makes one with a ten year lithium battery for about $50. Much cheaper than a funeral.
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Sad news but I don't understand how the dog was still alive.
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Sad news but I don't understand how the dog was still alive.
When we were first married, years ago, we rented a small, over-the-garage apartment that had a gas heater. We also, had a small dog with us. One cold night, we went off to visit, leaving the heater on, for the dog and so the apt. would be warm, when we returned.

Later that evening, we returned home and found the dog, at the bottom of the stairs with his nose at the door bottom and very much alive. But I smelled gas, as soon as I opened the door. I realized that the dog had found the only place he could breath - the bottom of the door, where the door gasket was damaged.

That could be the reason the dog in the story lived.
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The smell of propane in both stories indicates the flame went out but propane gas continued to flow. It would be nice to know in the first story what the "propane device" was.
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"The deaths of a family of six -- the youngest not even 2 -- came quickly when they were overcome with carbon monoxide poisoning after a 10,000 BTU generator, powered by a 40-pound propane tank, was hooked up in the lower level of the Fenton, MI Township home."

What a shame.
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Sounds like an aftermarket type of device...possibly propane fired heater???

Course with today's reporters we will not ever know.

RV propane appliances have standards.......safety devices.
Main flame 'proofing' -------if not proved gas valve closes
Furnace, fridge, water heater, oven......all have proving devices (thermocouples/electrodes)

Except for stove top burners.......which shouldn't be ON unless being used.

YES thermocouples/electrodes can fail......which usually prevent appliance from being used.
And gas valves cold leak thru

BUT aftermarket devices don't have these types of safety devices and usually CYA by use of 'warning' label.

Tragic that these people died..........but not all equipment is idiot proof


KNOW what you are using BEFORE using it
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IIRC, even the alleged "indoor use OK" propane heaters have a little blurb telling users to essentially crack a window.
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IIRC, even the alleged "indoor use OK" propane heaters have a little blurb telling users to essentially crack a window.
RV newbie here:

So does the carbon monoxide detector go off with a propane leak?

Does both CM and propane go up and exit through the roof vents (assuming they are open)?

Why are CM detectors located close to the floor ... when our noses usually higher up, at least at mattress level?

Safety first ... and my wife will have questions. Thank you!
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Carbon monoxide will mix with air. It is produced by burning, so high concentrations may be found in higher areas due to the heat.

Propane is a heavy gas. It will linger near the floor and seek lower places.

If you have a CO and Propane combo unit, it should be close to the floor.
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So does the carbon monoxide detector go off with a propane leak?
Depends. The two different types of gasses are handled by two different alarm units in my RV. If one goes off, first I'm going outside and leaving the door open until I know what the alarm is trying to tell me. If I figure out it is propane, I'll first shut off the propane tanks mounted on the tongue, and go from there. I don't use a separate propane heater in my RV at this time, so no worries for me there.

If you use a portable propane heater in your RV, and the propane alarm goes off, you need to shut off all sources of propane until you figure out what the problem is, lest you go up in a blaze of glory.

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Does both CM and propane go up and exit through the roof vents (assuming they are open)?
The correct abbreviation is CO, for one carbon atom, one oxygen atom. Cold prove helpful to you in the future.

Consult your owners manual. If it says "window", I'd be inclined to use a window. If it says something else, or says it is unsafe in any closed space, than I'd be inclined to follow that recommendation.

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Why are CM detectors located close to the floor ... when our noses usually higher up, at least at mattress level?
Just my opinion, I wouldn't use a portable propane heater while sleeping. It's just too risky. Blankets and sleeping bags keep you warm while sleeping, and are virtually risk free. I'd only use a portable propane heater inside an RV in a real life or death situation. Otherwise, I'm camping, I have a down sleeping bag to use if I need it, and I know how to use it.

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Absolutely, yes, first, second, and third, or some combination thereof! This is a very good forum to ask questions in. Fire away! (pun intended)
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Also worth mentioning, if you testing smell propane don't think anything on until after the coach or trailer has been thoroughly vented.
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