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Old 12-19-2018, 10:21 AM   #29
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Boundary Waters is a wilderness area administered by the US Forest Service. It is not a National Park.
That is an important point to the Federal employees who run the place.
There are no National Parks in Wisconsin. More important is; there are many excellent Forest Service campgrounds. Good luck trying to find boon docking areas anywhere in Wisconsin.
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:28 PM   #30
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Correct, but there is at least one Campground in the park. Fall Lake CG is on the very boundary with the lake itself half in and half out of the BWCA. We have stayed there with a canoe and it is a great place. You can even use a power boat on that lake, but no others.


Fall Lake Campground : Explore Minnesota

Fall Lake C.G. is in Superior Nat'l Forest; not a national park.
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:23 AM   #31
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I see many people have many different experiences camping on NPS lands. Those who have been doing it for years have good experiences. Those who are trying to get started are baffled.

I camped for the first time in a National Park in 1968. I bought an Army surplus tent and a bus ticket to Ely Minnesota. I rented a canoe and departed into the Boundary Waters NP. I camped anywhere the mood suited me.

The boundary Waters is not the same today. There are too many people who want that experience and in spite of the seeming vast area of the park, there is not enough space for all.

All across the country a similar scenario is playing out at NP's. In the East there is little wild land available. In the West various places are at different stages closing and or regulating wild land.

National Parks provide a uniform campground format that has grown out of individually develop places. This means developed campsites, with reservation systems, and closed to camping areas. Each western park is at a different stage in this process, with the most frequented being the most restrictive.
Boon docking is open in some places, restricted in some places and closed in others. Boon docking is best done in groups. Think wagon trains. The only way I know to plan such trips is to ask or to go with an experienced person. There is no “one plan” you can use to have a wilderness experience. The Boy Scout motto is “Be Prepared”. I would add “Be Prepared for Anything”.
Even an experienced Minnesota Voyager will be severely challenged when boon docking in Big Bend NP in Texas. There is a current warning of a road closure in Big Bend due to a “large vehicle” roll over. Use your imagination as to what the large vehicle is and why it has not been removed for awhile.
Go to Big Bend. Camp at Rio Grande Village. Check in at the Panther Junction visitor center. Talk to the rangers. Share your most intimate desires with them. Listen carefully. Don’t assume anything. Ask questions. Make a plan and check it out first. Then start with a less challenging adventure.
Clean up, repair, and repeat at another remote National Park. If you have a 40 foot motor home, do not even think about doing this.
From the other posts, it appears that most, if not all of the site you mention are Forest Service and not NPS which have very different rules.

Being prepared is just a normal way of life for this county boy. I live on top of a mountain on 200 acres, 20 miles from the nearest town. I grew up driving tractors, truck and trailers.

Working on wild land fires I have hiked in, ATVed in, Helicoptered into many remote places and done just fine.

I would just like to explore some new "mountains" in my 5th wheel for enjoyment.
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:53 AM   #32
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Fall Lake C.G. is in Superior Nat'l Forest; not a national park.
Well scuese me! Guess I did say Park didn't I. Where did you teach school at?
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Well scuese me! Guess I did say Park didn't I. Where did you teach school at?
They are two very distinct areas and correcting the nomenclature for purposes on camping /recreating is appropriate.


National Parks are managed by the National Park Service under the Dept. of Interior and National Forest by the US Forest Service under Dept. of Agriculture.

"The greatest difference between the two is the multiple use mandate for National Forests. While National Parks are highly vested in preservation, barely altering the existing state, National Forests are managed for many purposes—timber, recreation, grazing, wildlife, fish and more."

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In April 2017 we drove the blue ridge parkway. The campgrounds were not open at the time. We just pulled into what appeared to be a large old abandon parking lot on the North Carolina side and slept for one night. No “employees” bothered us.
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Big Bend NP calls it "primitive roadside camping" and allows RV camping along several roads in the park. We saw a number of places along the 14-miles of Maverick Road north of Santa Elena Canyon where you could pull over and camp. And no one was camped any place along it when we were there. Maybe because it was in late January. The only requirement is to be self-contained and to get a permit from NPS at any of the visitors centers.
Just want to clear this up a bit. Those turnouts are not places to camp. They are just placees to get out and go for a wak or take in the view.

They have designated sites for camping. You must get a permit that allows you to camp at designated spot on specific dates.

Your post seems to say you just get a permit to camp and then use any of the tunrouts/overlooks/trailheads or some other spot. Not how it works.


https://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvis...dsidecamps.htm
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