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Old 07-24-2014, 04:38 PM   #1
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Full Timers no longer allowed to camp in National Parks/BLM Land

This is very interesting. If you don't have a sticks and bricks they now consider full timers boondocking on Federal land to be illegally living in the park, not camping even if it's for only night and can fine you. So full timers can't boondock for up to 14 days like everyone else because their motor home is their home.

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I wonder if that rule applies to COE CG's?
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I just Googled COE camping rules and don't see any mention of this.


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The article goes on to explain that he lives in his van and those in conventional RVs were not challenged.
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How would the fools know that you were a full timer unless you told them. If they wanted your address give them a relatives address !
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If you don't tell them..........how will they know?
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How would the fools know that you were a full timer unless you told them. If they wanted your address give them a relatives address !
If anyone asks for my "home" address, they get my legal address, which is a 4" by 4" Box for mail, listed as Apartment # ###.

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Sorry....I've been a full-timer for over 10 years and I don't buy into this.

If you are a true full time RVer you will have a domicile address some where as that is required in order to have a driver's license, voter registration card and insurance plus a location to receive mail.

If you don't then you are truly homeless and most likely living in a vehicle versus an RV. Plus it is possible that you may not have a DL or any type of a permanent address. Those are the people that the referenced article refers to.

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This story is over a year old. this situation was in one specific area, where one specific group of folks were gaming the system to live all summer on federal lands by moving back & forth between nearby NF. This group feels there should be a summer time equivalent of the Q LTVA. That may be a good idea, but instead of going thru the proper channels, they decided to make their own in their preferred summer spots on federal NF lands.
This enforcement effort only came into play after numerous confrontations & warnings to the same group.
This interpretation of the rules has not been enforced anywhere else, except a few isolated instances where others were abusing the USFS system. There are thousands of fulltimers camping in various National Forests right now without any hassle.
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The author of that article is taking a big leap of faith and making some very questionable assumptions, based upon ONE encounter with ONE ranger.

It would be like seeing one green car and saying all cars are green as if that were fact.

There is no rule or law to backup his statement.
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I read the whole way threw that article & there were mutiple questionable statements. The article as a whole seemed to be how to beat the system. Not one statement about an income by him be it working, disability, etc.

JMO, but seemed like a handful that could have ruined it for everyone else.
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Actually, this is what they are using:

36 CFR 261.10 - Occupancy and use.
CFR§ 261.10 Occupancy and use. The following are prohibited:

(b) Construction, reconstructing, improving, maintaining, occupying or using a residence on National Forest System lands unless authorized by a special-use authorization or approved operating plan when such authorization is required.

True it is unlikely they will bother any full timer that has a $100,000 class A but that would be selective enforcement (which is common of course). What they are telling these people (deserved or not) that since they don't have a legal residence they are using the land as a residence. Any full timer falls under this interpretation of the regulations.
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Actually, this is what they are using:

36 CFR 261.10 - Occupancy and use.
CFR§ 261.10 Occupancy and use. The following are prohibited:

(b) Construction, reconstructing, improving, maintaining, occupying or using a residence on National Forest System lands unless authorized by a special-use authorization or approved operating plan when such authorization is required.
I am not a lawyer, so pleased don't take this as "gospel", but I think these are important parts that coincide with the above.

Black's Law dictionary defines Residence here:

What is RESIDENCE? definition of RESIDENCE (Black's Law Dictionary)

and, Legal Residence here:

What is LEGAL RESIDENCE? definition of LEGAL RESIDENCE (Black's Law Dictionary)

Me thinks, but does not know for sure, that a case can be made by FTers that their "Residence/Legal Residence" is their domicile state as that is recognized by law.
JMHO

If there are Legal Beagles in the group I hope they will weigh in on this.
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