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04-22-2015, 07:06 PM
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How to make a fuel can user friendly.
Insurance company finds modified fuel can.........denies claim.........Really??? Call Allstate insurance companies will pay claims from gas in a bucket catching fire and burning down your house.
Since when does removing or disabling a safety device matter. Safety devices are there for the manufacturers not the users
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04-24-2015, 11:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fl_Richard
Insurance company finds modified fuel can.........denies claim.........Really??? Call Allstate insurance companies will pay claims from gas in a bucket catching fire and burning down your house.
Since when does removing or disabling a safety device matter. Safety devices are there for the manufacturers not the users
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Insurance is to cover our own mistakes as well as "accidents", perhaps a gas can can be one of them.
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04-25-2015, 01:27 PM
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Please call your insurance company and tell them you are going to modify the safety device on your gas cans and see if you are covered. When they get done laughing at you, let us know which insurance company you are switching to. You have heard of insurance fraud right? Have you not heard of people burning up their stuff to collect the insurance? You really think if you burn up your vehicle at a minimum that the insurance company will just pay you without investigating the cause? You think they will be on your side when they find a modified gas can in the rubble? You might want to actually sit down and read your insurance policy. Look at the section that says arson is not covered. You will have to prove it is was not arson and they will have a modified gas can to show you. Good luck.
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04-25-2015, 02:15 PM
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The EPA dictated the change to practically unusable containers. It is about spilling and venting to the atmosphere, not safety.
Gasoline is too expensive for me to spill and I certainly don't fuel in my garage next to the gas water heater.
Really not worried about my insurance coverage.
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04-25-2015, 03:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyadamn
Please call your insurance company and tell them you are going to modify the safety device on your gas cans and see if you are covered. When they get done laughing at you, let us know which insurance company you are switching to. You have heard of insurance fraud right? Have you not heard of people burning up their stuff to collect the insurance? You really think if you burn up your vehicle at a minimum that the insurance company will just pay you without investigating the cause? You think they will be on your side when they find a modified gas can in the rubble? You might want to actually sit down and read your insurance policy. Look at the section that says arson is not covered. You will have to prove it is was not arson and they will have a modified gas can to show you. Good luck.
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I don't have to prove it was not arson, they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was arson and insurance companies do not hold court. It is up to the fire investigators to say arson or not where I live. If insurance would not pay because we did something stupid there would be few claims paid out.
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04-25-2015, 05:20 PM
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I agree, except the reasonable doubt part. I don't think insurance company's need that, in a civil case.
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04-25-2015, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by twinboat
I agree, except the reasonable doubt part. I don't think insurance company's need that, in a civil case.
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Where I live, BC Canada, if there is reasonable doubt in a civil case it counts just as in a criminal case. It must be a certainty that arson was committed. You may end up arguing the payout but they must pay. They can argue you over insured and will offer market value, and if you are smart you will take it or bicker over it forever.
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04-26-2015, 05:58 PM
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businesses add the safety features to make their product safe to avoid lawsuits. when you defeat their safety products that keeps you from "trying" to sue them, and you just have to be a little more careful using their product. if you remove the safety feature, tie it down so it doesn't tip over in the back of your rig, or whattever. insurance usually pays if you burn down your property...unless you intentionally set it...it pays claims for stupid people as it does for unlucky people. I hate these new cans, thanks for the post.
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04-26-2015, 06:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentor
I don't have to prove it was not arson, they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was arson and insurance companies do not hold court. It is up to the fire investigators to say arson or not where I live. If insurance would not pay because we did something stupid there would be few claims paid out.
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No, the insurance company doesn't have to prove squat. They only have to use those two little words, "claim denied". Then it's up to you to swallow hard, or hire a lawyer at your expense.
Now I must admit, ICBC is a slightly different creature, there is zero concern with profit per se.
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04-28-2015, 07:06 PM
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I just got the EasyPourSpout via Amazon, along with a pack of five extra vent caps. But I will likely try this video method too. Ten bucks per gas can, can get a bit steep for those of us with several of them.
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04-30-2015, 02:36 PM
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I bought some vent caps but don't feel I need the easy pours.
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04-30-2015, 04:40 PM
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Oohhhh nooooo..... the insurance police just showed up because I removed my mattress tags....
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04-30-2015, 07:03 PM
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I purchased a couple hi flow kits. They worked great. Easy to install.
Now when I pull in for a pitstop while mowing the wife can have it filled in under a minute.😂😂😂😂😂
But seriously they are very nice over the original "safety" spouts.
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05-01-2015, 08:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spk64
I purchased a couple hi flow kits. They worked great. Easy to install.
Now when I pull in for a pitstop while mowing the wife can have it filled in under a minute.😂😂😂😂😂
But seriously they are very nice over the original "safety" spouts.
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Why do you mow your wife?
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