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Old 11-15-2015, 01:55 PM   #29
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Give him a chance to expand on his list! My computer is on shop till tomorrow. There are a few things he brought up that I shall have Google or discuss with son before I can respond. This could be a really good thread.
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That's the *beginning* of your list?
As they say, "The Devil's in the details!"
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Reed, I've read a few of your postings over the past year and have to say that so far it sounds like you've got the closest thing to what I think should be the new paradigm for RV solar design, i.e. 48V system with LiFe batteries, etc.. Fortunately, there are a few new technological developments that are encouraging for this type of system, specifically Sharp announcing that they will be marketing a DC mini-split AC unit in late 2015, and some of the new hydronic heating systems that use far less energy (especially electricity) than their traditional forced-air counterparts. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of design factors that work against an effective system, especially on smaller RV's and truck campers.

As it is, the old-fashioned RV air conditioners ("tree snaggers") eat up too much roof space, create shading issues for PV modules, and use too much energy. Roof vents and skylights scattered about also add to the same problem. The lack of viable module mounting points on some rigs makes it a headache to come up with racking systems that can support the modules and keep things attached to the roof under high wind loads. Also, the lack of an industry standard form factor(s) for solar modules makes every installation a one-off design to an extent.

While a few manufacturers are starting to design some of their RVs with true boondocking capabilities in mind, most of them still rely on 50 year-old technology for just about everything.

Giving this a bit of thought, here are some of the things I'd like to see in an RV relative to real four-season boondocking capabilities:

1) 48 VDC MPPT solar power system with advanced battery technology and full monitoring. 2) 48VDC mini-split air conditioning system with no roof mounted components. 3) Thermopane, awning type windows. 4) Maximized roof space with provisions for and documentation for the installation of solar modules. 5) Better yet, fairly priced, factory designed tiltable solar panels/mounts with remote control. 6) 1.5-2 inches of closed cell foam insulation throughout. 7) Hydronic heating system (48V). 8) Heated black and gray tanks via the hydronic system. 9) Diesel fueled hydronic system and cooking appliances. 10) Auxilliary solar input port for portable solar panels. 11) Dimmable LED lighting. 12) 48-12VDC converters throughout with Anderson Powepole connectors for 12V appliances. 13) USB sockets throughout. 14) Outdoor propane connection for outdoor stove/grill. 15) Insulating window treatments.

Well that's the beginning of the list. I'd be interested to hear the thoughts of some other folks as to anything they'd add.
PLEASE Start a new thread (RV of the Future?) using this list as it derails the current thread, but is good stuff. Diesel appliances & heat? Motorhome, not trailer, right?
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No, trailers and RVs. A new thread might do. There was a similar at Escapees lady month

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PLEASE Start a new thread (RV of the Future?) using this list as it derails the current thread, but is good stuff. Diesel appliances & heat? Motorhome, not trailer, right?
Fair enough, I will start a new thread. However, my point in bringing it up here is that the RV industry doesn't follow the most basic rule of solar design, which is, "Correct inefficiencies first, and then design the photovoltaic power system." Granted, modules are 1/10th the cost that they were a few years ago, but electric energy storage systems are still costly and/or weighty, and additional modules (and batteries) to compensate for inefficiencies elsewhere take up a lot of space, both of which are detractors when designing for an RV.

BTW, I did mean motorhomes AND trailers AND truck campers. The XP Camper truck camper has a small diesel tank built into the camper, which makes it a one-stop endeavor to refuel everything onboard.
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Looking forward to your new thread. Have some questions.

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Looking forward to your new thread. Have some questions.

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See the "In Search of a New RV Paradigm" thread.
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