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Old 06-22-2011, 09:30 PM   #15
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I have found that be it male or female, if they have achieved the level most often they deserve it. Not always the case for both genders. Maybe, just maybe, those that join the military service need to be exposed to good leadership whether it is preformed by a male or a female.
I did not spend 20 plus years in, only 3yrs/11mos/27days...two tours in Nam. I would have welcomed either gender if they would watch my back.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:40 AM   #16
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I have seen it written "Be you man or be you woman you are all equal in the eyes of God" (NOTE: I may have changed that a bit, (Mostly more modern language) but I kept the original meaning of the phrase).. I will not say who said it, or who wrote it down.

However, Today, We have laws in all 50 states and at the federal level which save for one word say very much the same thing.. That word being God. The legal version of that is:

Be you man or be you woman you are all EQUAL UNDER THE LAW.

And as I said before, The only thing I have seen that can make a Marine back down is a Woman. IN my time as a police dispatcher I have had both male and female supervisors (The Department Director, so far, has always been male but HIS boss, but I did work to help get Michigan's only Female Governor (His boss) re-elected, successfully I might add.. To be honest though, I was working to keep her challanger from getting elected..... HE IS the problem.. I'm not sure she was the answer but she did turn it around.. HE, on the other hand, helped cause our financial disaster)

Of course.. We now have a guy back in the office. I am willing to talk about political history, since nothing I say or do can change it.. But the political present. (or future) that is ALL I have to say.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:14 PM   #17
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It is like this don't ask don't tell. Before that we had Known homosexuals in the military. Some only known by the troops and sailors around them. Some had entries in their 201 files. While I was in the Navy, There was this sailor that was on the Asroc(nukes) security team. He had an entry in his 201 file declaring himself a homosexual. One year on the ship we didn't pass our security qualification test because he was on the team and the powers that were said pull him from the team and you passed. They didn't toss him from the service like they do today if they admit to being homosexual.
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This thread was started by some one who was probably never chewd out by a female Marine Officer. Some female Officers as well as men are not qualified for the position. The right women can do it just fine.
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Perris Island, I remember that is where the Female Marines are trained. Seems fitting to me.
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This thread was started by some one who was probably never chewd out by a female Marine Officer. Some female Officers as well as men are not qualified for the position. The right women can do it just fine.
Don't know the OP, but what does chewing somebody out have to do with performing your duties in combat? We are talking about down and dirty heavy lifting combat, BTDT, women can't do it, it physically impossible.
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Don't know the OP, but what does chewing somebody out have to do with performing your duties in combat? We are talking about down and dirty heavy lifting combat, BTDT, women can't do it, it physically impossible.

This General is not in combat she is in charge of a base that trains Marines, male and female. That can be done equally well by a male or female. If you are in the Marine Corps you are going to get chewed out in training by whoever that is just part of the training. I hope I was not the only one getting chewed out.
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Equal is Equal, as generations pass, this attitude will prevail. It takes time and a demonstration of abilities. This is a start. Jackie Robinson led the way in baseball these women are leading the way in the military, God Bless ALL Our Troops.

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I bet "toads wife" could kick "hooverbill"'s butt! LOL
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Don't know the OP, but what does chewing somebody out have to do with performing your duties in combat? We are talking about down and dirty heavy lifting combat, BTDT, women can't do it, it physically impossible.
Hate to differ but been there with the female soldiers and I can tell you first hand a 105lb female medic easily drug a 235lb man from a vehicle that ran over an IED. It's not what's in your pants- it's what's in your heart! I'd go back with female soldiers any day!

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Well said Ron. Well said.

p.s., They are called Marines, or Women Marines, not "female" Marines.

Ya'll need to stop messing with our Women Marines or they are going to step up and kick butt. And trust me, they can.
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I understand where you are speaking from, once I too felt that way. It took serving alongside a female drill sergeant at Ft. Jackson to teach me knowledge, disipline, and the ability to project that to trainees is not limited to men.
As to abilities in combat, Israeli women soldiers are second to none. It will take even more generations of Westerners to outlive the old "men must take care of women" mentality. American female military will reach that same point, just not in our generation.
When I was in the Army, I viewed women not as a hindrance, but rather a challenge to improve myself- as they were doing. IMO the biggest distration to women in the military is overcoming the "you big strong man, me flutterly little woman" mentality projected by both men and women.
That tour at Ft. Jackson under the hat was with an all-female training company. The trainees would try to manipulate us men, but the women DS'S knew what was happening and kept both us male DS'S and the trainees in line.
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Consider that every Marine is a rifleman. It matters not what their gender be. Woman Marines go through the same training that a male Marine goes through. No exception. If I were in combat again I would be proud to have a female Marine watching my back.
Interestingly enough, the last time we went shooting, my wife cleaned my clock. Even though she is a grandmother she can shoots high sharpshooter on the Army Qualification Test (AQT).

My service was in civilian Fire and EMS. I have nothing but admiration for our armed forces and I thank them for "taking care of business" after terrorists killed 350+ of my brother and sisters in Fire and EMS.

In my experience with police officers I found that women were perfectly capable of watching my back. They could either take charge of a scene or alternatively they could provide a softer side when that was needed.
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Well said Ron. Well said.

p.s., They are called Marines, or Women Marines, not "female" Marines.

Ya'll need to stop messing with our Women Marines or they are going to step up and kick butt. And trust me, they can.

Don't know when you retired MSgt...they are not Women Marines, they are "MARINES" to the best of my memory the only authorized time the term Woman, WM, Female Marine is to be used is for Identification purposes mainly for billeting purposes.
For the OP, don't want to bust your bubble but MCRD/West coast Recruiting has already had a Female General Officer.
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