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BucketList 02-06-2012 11:38 AM

Roof Access and Tire Questions on Essex and King Aire
 
Forgive me for what will sound like ignorant questions on the King Aire and Essex coaches but I have not yet been able to see either model line due to them being non-existant in So. Calf. area. Also, I have never owned a coach either and only rfented some smaller ghas burners. The Newmar website does not address these questions either:

1) Do both lines have a spare tire and if so where is it located on the K2 and K3 chassis?

2) If a flat does occur then I am assuming that most owners would always call a mobile tire / tow service due to tire weight/ size, jacking difficulties, impact wrench, etc. Or can some owners change these large tires themselves?

3) I assume that the jack leveling system on these coaches cannot be used to change tires?

3) How do you access the roof since there is not a rear cap ladder. Exept for periodic cleaning of the roof, I am assuming there is not a need to get up there except when repairs to the AC, sattelite and other (?) equipment are necessary.

GaryKD 02-06-2012 01:05 PM

Hi BucketList,
1. There is no spare tire. No spare is industry standard on DP coaches. I purchased a mounted spare and have it stored in the coach basement.

2. Coach owners should have an emergency road service (i.e., Coach Net, Good Sam). Most owners will not attempt to change a large DP tire. The wheel and tire can weigh as much as 220 lbs. The lug nuts are at 450 ft lbs of torque. That being said, I have changed all the tires (except left inside rear). It's a long story already posted elsewhere.

3. For safety reasons, you are correct. However, the jacks will lift the tires off the ground.

4. You are correct. Maintenance and repair are the only reasons to get on the roof. Owner roof access is not encouraged. Access is only by a ladder of your choice. If done, remember to pad the ladder where it will contact the top of the coach.

Lug_Nut 02-06-2012 04:01 PM

I agree with Gary's comments except for roof access. A step ladder provides the best access. Climb the ladder and step on the edge of a slide then step over the awning. When the coach is washed they always use that method for cleaning the roof.

Peter

saydiver 02-06-2012 06:00 PM

For roof access we carry the 1800W Professional Line Telesteps Ladder with us: Telesteps - Products

Sue

chuckinthebus 02-07-2012 12:37 AM

Our 06 Essex must be a 'step child'. We have a ladder mounted in the back with the lower section stowed in the basement. :confused:

Mr_D 02-07-2012 12:49 AM

If the jacks are sized like the cheaper Newmars the jacks are rated to lift the entire weight of the MH and suspend it there indefinatly.

On our DSDP the lug nuts take 500 ft lbs and need to be lubed first.

Mr_D 02-07-2012 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnkinthebus (Post 1077201)
Our 06 Essex must be a 'step child'. We have a ladder mounted in the back with the lower section stowed in the basement. :confused:

Not really a "step child" just a change in how things are done over the years. Older rigs had the ladders, the new ones don't. It does look more upscale but I'd still rather have a ladder attached

Iron Man 02-07-2012 06:53 AM

In 2007 they mounted the awnings on the roof and added a spoiler on the rear and deleted the ladder.

BucketList 02-07-2012 05:45 PM

Thanks to all who have posted. I have checked out the telesteps website and that will solve the roof access problem. Now as to the spare tire question. Can someone explain the logic of why the manufacture does not put a spare on the DP motorhome. This does not make sense to me. Am I to expect that if I were to lose a tire and maybe even bend a wheel rim from say a large pot hole that a mobile tire service tech will have a new tier and wheel on their truck? This sounds crazy to me, but then I will admit I am not familiar with large trucks and buses............Now Gary KD states in his reply above that he purchased a spare and stored it in the basement.

Mr_D 02-07-2012 06:11 PM

1. Save room
2. Not many people can handle an over 200# tire/wheel
3. 450-500 ft lbs torque on the lugs.
4. Save money

ottffss 02-07-2012 06:13 PM

Bucket, that's what roadside service is for.... Tire and wheel weigh in the 200lbs range, the lugs are at 500ft lbs, the spare is massive. All these reasons are why spares are NOT included.

The carry a spare or not debate is a matter of personal preference. In 80,000 moho miles and 250,000 tow vehicle miles I have NEVER had a flat.

GaryKD 02-07-2012 06:31 PM

Hi BucketList,
Welcome to the world of large motor coaches. It has been so long since a spare tire was included with a DP, I can't remember if and when it was ever done. In addition to what has been posted, manufacturers feel those who can afford the coach are not going to use a spare tire. Not having a spare tire does free up quite a bit of basement storage space. Some purchase a spare tire, unmounted. This takes up very little net space since the center of the tire can continue to be used for storage. As to the example of bending a wheel, this wold only be a disaster on a front wheel. If that happened the mobile service tech would swap one of the rear tires to the front and that would allow you to limp into the tire service center. I have needed my spare tire once in the 7 years with this coach. However, that was my choice. Before that, It has to be about 20+ years since I had a tire problem with a coach.


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