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digNbubbs 07-02-2007 01:37 PM

Literall rough. Left Reno Saturday morning around 11 and drove to Denver. Made it here late Sunday afternoon. I would have to say that 98 percent of the drive was nice, but there were some sections that rattled my fillings out. I-80 through SLC was rough, but nothing compared to I-25 from the WY/CO border till almost Denver.

I know my gas coach was rougher, but it was really bad. I suffered some collateral damage from the roughness. I will probably find new broken things for the next two weeks...

I lost my front A/C unit while driving to Reno from San Jose, so had the dash A/C cranked the whole time. At least I could run the genny for the back A/C so Ang could be comfortable. Sunday morning, after a nap at Little America, I looked under the coach and found my generator exhaust hanging down. It looks like something hit it and pushed it right out of the connection at the generator. Wired that in place so it didn't drag, but there went the genny.

As we were getting close to our destination, a girl in a car came beside me and started doing that "motorist sign language". Had no idea what the heck she was saying, but figured it wasn't good from the tone of her gestures.

Pulled to the side of the road and found my air inlet tube dragging on the ground behind the coach. If it would have been a little longer, it would have looked like I was trying to duct something to my Jeep.

The tube is a large, flexible duct - maybe 5 or 6 inches in diameter - that goes from the air filter box to the mid/upper portion of the back. There is a gap, then there is a tube up to the air inlet near the top of the coach. If I knew what it attached to, I could probably remove the coolant tank and reach in there, but I can't tell where it is suppose to go. No obvious bracket or anything. Here is a picture I took a while back - Picture of top of inlet tube

My entertainment system got hammered - even vibrated the smart card out of the satellite receiver, my Verizon air card broke, and three beers feel out of the fridge when I opened the door. And, when we got here, found out our reservations were for Monday, not Sunday. I got a spot, but had to move this morning.

Rough weekend. Glad we are parked. Sure could use another A/C and the inlet fixed. I miss being in Florida close to Wildwood...

I think I am done venting. Thanks for listening http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif


--kev

digNbubbs 07-02-2007 01:37 PM

Literall rough. Left Reno Saturday morning around 11 and drove to Denver. Made it here late Sunday afternoon. I would have to say that 98 percent of the drive was nice, but there were some sections that rattled my fillings out. I-80 through SLC was rough, but nothing compared to I-25 from the WY/CO border till almost Denver.

I know my gas coach was rougher, but it was really bad. I suffered some collateral damage from the roughness. I will probably find new broken things for the next two weeks...

I lost my front A/C unit while driving to Reno from San Jose, so had the dash A/C cranked the whole time. At least I could run the genny for the back A/C so Ang could be comfortable. Sunday morning, after a nap at Little America, I looked under the coach and found my generator exhaust hanging down. It looks like something hit it and pushed it right out of the connection at the generator. Wired that in place so it didn't drag, but there went the genny.

As we were getting close to our destination, a girl in a car came beside me and started doing that "motorist sign language". Had no idea what the heck she was saying, but figured it wasn't good from the tone of her gestures.

Pulled to the side of the road and found my air inlet tube dragging on the ground behind the coach. If it would have been a little longer, it would have looked like I was trying to duct something to my Jeep.

The tube is a large, flexible duct - maybe 5 or 6 inches in diameter - that goes from the air filter box to the mid/upper portion of the back. There is a gap, then there is a tube up to the air inlet near the top of the coach. If I knew what it attached to, I could probably remove the coolant tank and reach in there, but I can't tell where it is suppose to go. No obvious bracket or anything. Here is a picture I took a while back - Picture of top of inlet tube

My entertainment system got hammered - even vibrated the smart card out of the satellite receiver, my Verizon air card broke, and three beers feel out of the fridge when I opened the door. And, when we got here, found out our reservations were for Monday, not Sunday. I got a spot, but had to move this morning.

Rough weekend. Glad we are parked. Sure could use another A/C and the inlet fixed. I miss being in Florida close to Wildwood...

I think I am done venting. Thanks for listening http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif


--kev

teofff 07-02-2007 02:31 PM

Like RonBama so elequently said in a recent post: if it ain't one thang, it's another"!!!!
Have a drink, or two, and chill out, the next highway will hopefully be better!!

RonNBama 07-02-2007 03:28 PM

Holy Crap diggin! I know there is some rough interstate in the south and I usually pick the lane that is smoothest and let the cages get ******. Never had that much trouble though.

Check the fillings in your teeth and then go have a cold one on me. Tell the beer-tender to call me and I'll give him a cost code to get yer psyche back in the groove.

Sorry to hear of all the little oops's that got ya. Sounds like some duct tape and a sawzall will solve most of the issues. http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

Tom N 07-02-2007 03:41 PM

Do you have your tires inflated to the correct pressure for your weight???

-Tom

MonacoMama 07-02-2007 06:30 PM

YIKES!!! http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/scared.gif I may have to rethink taking any of those roads for any future trips.

BTW-I hope you are able to eventually sober up in time for the wedding after all the drinks we are tossing your way!! http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif

and...Good luck with your daughter's wedding stuff this week ...




ronboc 07-02-2007 06:53 PM

I certainly feel for you in getting your 'baby' all roughed-up like that.

But when I got to the part about beer falling out of the frig, it brought tears to mine eyes. http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/frustrated.gif There oughtta be laws against roads like that (hey, I-10 thru Louisiana, you listening?)

digNbubbs 07-02-2007 08:50 PM

Burp..... Thanks for all the cold ones. I will let you all know how my head is in the morning. http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

Tom N - As far as I know, I am running what I should be. I jump on the scale any time my load changes much, and follow the inflation charts. I have changed elevation since I last adjusted, so I will check again some morning. Just weighed again yesterday, so I have fresh numbers again. Thanks for the suggestion.

I have no idea if this is related, but I seem to be running two different voltages in the coach. I am plugged into 50A service, and am getting ~119V in the rear of the coach, and 104-108 in the front. Does this make any sense?

To add to the casualty list, my coffee pot fried this morning. I think now it was probably related to the low voltage in the front. Ang went to use the microwave earlier today and it popped a breaker on the inverter. That, along with the coffee pot made me meter the outlets.

I have a Kill-A-Watt plugged into the rear, back by my computer stuff so I can keep an eye on the voltage. I would not have thought I could have two different "zones" of voltage. Thoughts on this one?


--kev

MonacoMama 07-02-2007 09:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> But when I got to the part about beer falling out of the frig, it brought tears to mine eyes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ronboc... Oh my gosh ... How could I have missed that!!! http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/aeh.gif




MonacoMama 07-02-2007 09:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have a Kill-A-Watt plugged into the rear, back by my computer stuff so I can keep an eye on the voltage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kev- where did you find that? I am thinking that maybe with all this kilowatt difference that we may need one..




RonNBama 07-03-2007 04:56 AM

The voltage issue sounds like a bad connection on one leg of the 50 amp service. Hmmm (scratching head and thinking), check the voltage at the source to make sure it's not the supply side. While unplugged, flip all your breakers off/on then look at the inside voltage again (after restoring power to the coach). Last resort, start looking at the connections from the entry to the main panel. Since it looks like half the coach is affected, probably going to be a big connector loose (of course, it may be something totally different like bad blinker fluid, but heck, we're speculating). I assume the AC units are OK. If that side has a low voltage problem, you may damage a compressor/motor.

Momma, the Kill-a-watt thingies are great. Cost is about $20-$25 and the toy is worth the investmant. You can see just how much power your coffee pot and hairdryer uses. I have verified the operation of my voltage booster by watching the display when a load kicks in. Neat gadget. Put on Sac's wish list. http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

SacsTC 07-03-2007 05:24 AM

Posted by Bama
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I assume the AC units are OK </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He has blown two of them since Sept last year.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Put on Sac's wish list </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Please http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...n_rolleyes.gif don't tell that woman to buy anything. I'll end up owning a Radio Shack franchise instead of a meter if she goes into the store. http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/spin2.gif

MonacoMama 07-03-2007 05:52 AM

Oh Sacs...
What if I just order it online? http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_biggrin.gif




Tom N 07-03-2007 06:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by digNbubbs:
I have no idea if this is related, but I seem to be running two different voltages in the coach. I am plugged into 50A service, and am getting ~119V in the rear of the coach, and 104-108 in the front. Does this make any sense?

To add to the casualty list, my coffee pot fried this morning. I think now it was probably related to the low voltage in the front. Ang went to use the microwave earlier today and it popped a breaker on the inverter. That, along with the coffee pot made me meter the outlets.

--kev </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you have your inverter turned ON?? Turn the inverter OFF and check voltages again.

-Tom

digNbubbs 07-03-2007 08:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom N:
...
Do you have your inverter turned ON?? Turn the inverter OFF and check voltages again.

-Tom </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do have it on. I typically never turn it off when I plug into shore power. However, when I did turn it off and checked, there was no change in the voltage. It seems, however, that all of the outlets that are on the same circuit as the inverter are the ones that are low. I can not speak in terms of "all" or "none", but of the outlets I can check, seems that is the pattern.

I just checked the outside post, and each leg is 111/112V, and across is ~237V. I am running 1 A/C (the other one is inop at the moment), water heater on gas, fridge on electric.


--kev

Pusherpilot 07-03-2007 08:03 AM

Pretty big imbalance on the two legs of the 50a circuit. Does your coach have a way to measure the amps on each circuit? Voltages as low as 104 are not good for the parts of the RV that have to run on it. If you have a meter, unplug the coach and measure the voltage at the plug on the pedestal. If it's low there too then the park is the problem. If the drop is seen after you plug in then you've got a problem in the coach. I've had the problem at a couple of parks and it usually is the receptacle on the pedestal that's the problem. High resistance will cause this.

Ron

ronboc 07-03-2007 10:16 AM

To expand on what pusherpilot said...

The high-resistance in the park-wiring could cause a low-voltage reading at the pedestal AFTER you plug in the coach - indicating that the coach is loading down the line (as it should) but the line isn't able to handle it, therefore it will begin to 'sag'. In either case, t'aint your fault, it's theirs.

I'm also a VERY strong advocate of a surge-protector (Progressive Industries, Surge-Guard, and probably more) that monitor high as well as low voltage conditions. Can't speak highly enough of them, when ya consider all the expensive & sensitive (kind of synonymous, ain't it?) stuff we have these days.

Mine works well (I have the Progressive Industries one), it's tripped off several times when line has gone over 135 V !!! You can also get 'em with remote voltage/current monitors for each leg.


I realize it may be closing the barn-door after the horses are out, but food for future thought.

Tom N 07-03-2007 10:19 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RonNBama:
Momma, the Kill-a-watt thingies are great. Cost is about $20-$25 and the toy is worth the investmant. You can see just how much power your coffee pot and hairdryer uses. I have verified the operation of my voltage booster by watching the display when a load kicks in. Neat gadget. Put on Sac's wish list. http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a Kill-A-Watt but can't figure out a use for it. I can check voltage with a multimeter. All appliances list the wattage on their label. It would be useful if I could hard wire it in at the breaker box but the Kill-A-Watt will only handle a max of 1500 watts.

I often see them online for less than $20 shipping included.

Kill-A-Watt $18.89 http://www.supermediastore.com/kilwateldet1.html

-Tom

ronboc 07-03-2007 12:05 PM

Good point, Tom. They are a bit limited in their total capacity, but still have a lot of use nonetheless. I went thru the entire coach with mine and measured the load from each appliance/tool/etc, and then wrote it on the bottom/back with a Sharpee Marker.

Told wife that the maximum draw was 50amps (based on the sum of items involved) and any more was going to blow MY fuse as well as that of the coach. Seems to work well so far http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/laugh.gif Only one problem since then, and that was caused by .... well, let's just say she wasn't to blame http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...on_redface.gif

"007" 07-04-2007 08:24 AM

Check your transfer switch for loose wiring connections double check the ones going to your load center fuse box and also check terminations in the load box.
If you run your generator do you have different readings on your two sides of your load box. http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/aeh.gif

RonNBama 07-04-2007 05:28 PM

I want to hear what you eventually find here. This is a perplexing problem. Keep us posted please.

As for the KillAWatt thing, it is limited in how much it can handle since it plugs into a 20-amp receptacle. I just keep mine plugged in all the time and can do a voltage/frequency check with a quick glance.

SacsTC 07-04-2007 06:40 PM

Bama,
Take a look under the RV systems forum for the newest on what he found.

digNbubbs 07-04-2007 10:58 PM

Thanks again for the replies. I posted this question in the RV Systems forum and got some more suggestions. Thread here - http://irv2.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1356094452/m/1421065104

I took care of that burnt wire, but it is still fluctuating enough to make me think there is another loose connection.

As mentioned, I will try the generator tomorrow. Today, I used a 30-&gt;50A adapter and plugged into a 30A socket. Received the same results.

The only other interesting piece of info is that voltage drop doesn't occur as much at night. Tonight I ran a few appliances and watched the voltage drop very little. That hints to me that there may be an issue in the post, but it meters fine when I am unplugged.

--kev

RonNBama 07-05-2007 04:45 AM

Ahhhhh, I started to mention a neutral connection but I figured the voltage variance would have been much greater than what you were showing. I had that problem on the plug of my 50-amp cable and was getting 90V and one leg and 137 on the other!

Awwrrite! Chalk up another one for Internet TroubleShooting! Glad you got it fixed.
http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif

MonacoMama 07-05-2007 05:33 AM

Kev...
I am curious if you found what that wire feeds?




digNbubbs 07-05-2007 07:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MonacoMama:
Kev...
I am curious if you found what that wire feeds? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did not figure that out.


kev

BurpL 07-17-2007 12:36 PM

Kev ,
I do not know if you are still fighting your problem but you may want to invest in a fox and hound type tester to find where that wire goes. There also is some concern over the discoloration at least to me on,the red wire in your picture. None of the neutrals should be brownish and from the looks of the neutral wire that burned there is a loose connection somewhere in the coach. Do they use romex in coaches or single wire type manufacturing ?

digNbubbs 07-17-2007 01:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BurpL:
... Do they use romex in coaches or single wire type manufacturing ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am still chasing this a bit. I think I am chalking most of the voltage problem to the state park we were just in. We are now at another campground where only two of us are plugged into 50A service (heh - me and a 4-A/C unit Prevost), and I am having steady voltage now. I plan on having the factory follow up on the wiring when I take it into them.

AKAIK, there is Romex running throughout the coach for 120V service, and single wire for 12V.

Today I took the cover off of the front A/C and dug around a bit. If I had to guess, I think there is probably a problem with the compressor start capacitor. There is a bit of black ooze coming out the top. I drove around to several RV parts places and nobody seems to carry anything like that in stock.

I have a service appointment on Monday the 23rd for the A/C, but was hoping I could save myself the time by fixing it myself. We are about to melt here....


kev

BurpL 07-17-2007 02:05 PM

Kev,
Try an electrical or electronics supply store that thing if oozing is BAD BAD BAD
Take it with you after shutting batteries off and disconnect all power to the capacitor before removing it. and before touching the leads short them together with a piece of metal not in your hand to make sure it is discharged, the other place to try is a HVAC company . good luck
Eric

SacsTC 07-17-2007 08:06 PM

Kev,
Don't fix it yourself, get it fixed at the Diamond Hills Center in Oregon.
I will be there from the 24th till???????????? (who knows when)

MonacoMama 07-17-2007 08:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Kev,
Don't fix it yourself, get it fixed at the Diamond Hills Center in Oregon.
I will be there from the 24th till???????????? (who knows when) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think he enjoyed me being gone for two weeks- that he has decided to go by himself http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo.../icon_wink.gif ,,,okay ... so he is going without me...but it is cuz I have to stay here http://irv2.infopop.cc/images/sad.gif




digNbubbs 07-17-2007 09:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SacsTC:
Kev,
Don't fix it yourself, get it fixed at the Diamond Hills Center in Oregon.
I will be there from the 24th till???????????? (who knows when) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I may still meet you there http://irv2.infopop.cc/groupee_commo...icon_smile.gif I went to the repair center today and talked to them about the replacement. They have a unit in stock, so hopefully they will be able to do it all in one day. I am hoping they can swap out the A/C and re-connect my air inlet tube all in one shot. I would just assume fix it myself if it meant I didn't have to burn up in here for the next week...

Once that is fixed, we will be on our way to the Salem area for the pre-rally. You should shoot up there after they get you all fixed up at the service center!

--kev

MonacoMama 07-17-2007 10:02 PM

Kev...
They should have the coach for a full two weeks...so he will be hangin' out around Diamond Hills to make sure everything goes well.
When are you getting to Salem...and when are you heading out of there?




digNbubbs 07-18-2007 07:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MonacoMama:
Kev...
They should have the coach for a full two weeks...so he will be hangin' out around Diamond Hills to make sure everything goes well.
When are you getting to Salem...and when are you heading out of there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not real sure when we are leaving - it will be decided once we are road-worthy again. We are hoping to be in the Salem area by the first week of August - looks like we can be at the fairgrounds on Aug 5.

--kev


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