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1Motorhome 08-17-2019 03:40 PM

Slide problem Fixed...maybe
 
Our last camping trip setup went fine, but when leaving my living room slide would not come in. I checked battery voltage and it was perfect. I kept trying the switch but no movement in slide. While trying to get it to work I hit the OUT position on the rocker switch and I heard a little bump in the slideout but when I tried the IN toggle NOTHING. I decided I was going to have to manually bring in the slide. I showed my Wife how to hold the rocker switch in the IN position after I had put the other rocker switch in the Manual position. You could hear a click on the motor when I put it in the manual position which indicated the brake had been released. for some reason I decided to try one more time and put the switch back in auto and hit the IN position on the rocker switch...Low and behold it worked and the slide came right in.
After getting back home and unpacking I decided to try the slide again. It went right out as normal but would not retract. I contacted a friend of mine who owns a small RV repair shop and described the problem. He is backed up for 3 weeks and can't take a look at it before then, and since we are leaving this coming Wednesday for another trip I had to find and fix problem myself. His advice was first to check the slide controller. OK where is it located??? He said normally they will be in a cabinet and I may have to pull out some drawers to find it. NOPE not in any of the cabinets!! He said check beneath the refrigerator if there was an access panel, there was but no controller just backside of Furnace. Then he told me to check my electrical panel bay, Nope not there either. I checked the wiring leaving the motor and it went up into the floor but must run beneath the sub floor because I could not find where it came up into the coach. I was at wits end by now but decided to pull the rocker switch panel and check wiring. I got my Multi meter and checked that I had power to switch, yep all good there, then I pushed the OUT lower position on the rocker switch and Yep got power there. When I pushed the IN position...NOTHING DEAD!! So I'm thinking I got a bad switch!! I pulled it out and took it to the local RV dealership thinking this would be a Stock item for such a large dealership, but NOPE. He would have to order it but would have it the next day. This is a 40 amp 5 pin inline slide switch seems to me it would be a stock item!?!?
OK next day it was here and I installed it, fingers crossed and a little Prayer I hit the IN switch and the slide came right in!!:bow::bow: I ran it out and in a couple times and it worked fine. So I'm satisfied it was a bad switch and to CMA I came in looked up part# and ordered 2 more to keep in tool box in case another one goes out.

OK, I'm very happy that it's working but very concerned that I cannot find the controller. I have done some extensive research and everything I have read says somewhere there is a controller, in fact there may be 2 controllers, one for living room and one for Bed room. Or it may be just one double controller for both slides!!! Arggg....OK Where the heck is it??

I also read that at one time one of the slide manufactures did not use a controller the motor was fed directly from the wall switch and reversed polarity depending on which switch position was mashed. The pressure sensor was tied directly to the motor and sensed amp draw to shut it down.

Has anyone out there ever encountered this type situation??? I am completely at the end of my rope on this controller situation.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Skip426 08-17-2019 05:43 PM

JMHO: Given your description , particularly since the switch you describe is way bigger than one necessary to signal a controller , your slide system may not have a controller. Although being five pin is a little confusing , I'd think six would be more common.:confused:

Do you have any info on the slide system manufacturer ? Lippert ? Power Gear ? Info could be on the motor itself . ( Lippert bought up Power gear a while back and repair/parts info is now on the Lippert web site. )

1Motorhome 08-17-2019 05:56 PM

Yes it is a Power gear system. I have researched many many Power gear web sites and read through at least 15 of their owner manuals. I can not find any info other than the ones that show a controller in the system.
I cannot find any info on the motor itself which would be a big help in my research.

The Auto/manual switch has two wires, one jumps to the 5th pin on the IN/OUT switch and makes up either a Hot or Ground from the 5th pin to the brake release. I'm thinking it is picking up power to activate the brake release.

Have you ever heard of a slide system that doesn't require a controller??:banghead:

Skip426 08-17-2019 06:27 PM

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Some low end slide mechanisms ; mostly TT's do't use a controller , but as I mentioned six wire switch would be the norm for those .

Attached is wiring for a no controller slide switch and a picture of the controller in my coach ( against the outside wall on the opposite side of the coach from my single slide, under the sink :facepalm:) why the manufacturers figure these components need to be hidden is beyond me.
Have you laid on your back in the basement and looked up at the underside of the coach floor ?

I do have parts and repair info for Power Gear ; but it's too large to post here in the forums , has diagrams showing what their controllers look like . If you'd like it please PM me your e mail and I'll forward it directly. :thumb:

1Motorhome 08-17-2019 07:27 PM

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I did find this in one of the powergear owners manual. This must be what I have. Note the 5 pin power switch.
What it doesn't show is the AUTO/Manual switch that is wired to the IN/OUT rocker switch.

ThePowells 08-17-2019 07:32 PM

Start looking in basement compartments.

1Motorhome 08-17-2019 07:43 PM

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1Motorhome 08-17-2019 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePowells (Post 4914947)
Start looking in basement compartments.

Thanks, I have pulled everything out in all compartments and checked every nick and cranny....can not find a controller??!!??:confused::confused:

Skip426 08-17-2019 07:46 PM

Interesting pdf . the info I have shows only a three wire switch wired to the controllers. :confused:

Also interesting is the " Caution High Voltage " warning. :D

1Motorhome 08-17-2019 07:58 PM

Yeah 12V high voltage from Battery,,,

The positive from the battery goes to center pin, the ground from battery splits to pins left and right of center HOT pin. the outside pins go to motor with a ground to run motor in a right or left polarity (forward or backward) rotation. What is not showing on this schematic is I have another switch double throw, that engages the motor braking system in AUTO position and Disengages the brake in Manual to allow manual retraction of slide. it is a 2 wire switch one being a ground and the other power to release brake.

ThePowells 08-17-2019 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Motorhome (Post 4914972)
Thanks, I have pulled everything out in all compartments and checked every nick and cranny....can not find a controller??!!??:confused::confused:

If you haven't yet, look up high in the cabinets and compartments. My controllers are high in a left side basement compartment in the middle between the two motors on our superslide. They are pretty hard to notice unless you are looking for them.

Skip426 08-18-2019 07:38 PM

Going back to the pdf with the wiring for the five wire switch .

To confirm existence of a controller; disconnect the battery and , ohm out the wires from the switch to the motor ; zero ohms = no controller .

1Motorhome 08-18-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip426 (Post 4916611)
Going back to the pdf with the wiring for the five wire switch .

To confirm existence of a controller; disconnect the battery and , ohm out the wires from the switch to the motor ; zero ohms = no controller .

Ahha....Great idea !!!!!

1Motorhome 08-19-2019 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip426 (Post 4916611)
Going back to the pdf with the wiring for the five wire switch .

To confirm existence of a controller; disconnect the battery and , ohm out the wires from the switch to the motor ; zero ohms = no controller .

OK, I Ohm the wires at switch going to motor on both sides of the switch IN and OUT and got resistance on both. Must be something inline as in a controller... Just can't find the darn thing !!!!

I have looked in every imaginable crook and cranny from stem to stern and can find nothing!! while tracing the bin door limit switches which are tied in a single run, the end of the run goes up into the floor under the slide into a subfloor that is not accessible without cutting into a welded metal underneath protective flooring under the bottom of the coach. Hopefully they didn't install the controller in there and then lay the inside flooring over it!!!
I am soooo mad that I can't locate this controller I could bite nails in to!!

At least the Slides are working now but can't help but be concerned as to how long before I will need to replace that controller!!!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

1Motorhome 08-19-2019 10:56 AM

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I did notice these two relays near my power center that I can't identify what they do. Could this system possibly work off relays to power the motor?? I know I'm shooting in the dark but would appreciate opinions.

Skip426 08-20-2019 12:45 AM

Do the wire colors match those on the switch ?

Again check the wire for ohms from the relay to the motor , to see if that's where they go.


Power output wire should be labeled on the relay .

153stars 08-20-2019 07:59 AM

You could pull a pair of wires off the circuit breaker in middle and retest slides again.

1Motorhome 08-20-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 153stars (Post 4918741)
You could pull a pair of wires off the circuit breaker in middle and retest slides again.

Is that a circuit breaker between the two relays?? Excuse my ignorance but I'm not an electrical person.

Coachman told me on the phone that the Controller should be in the Electrical compartment near the power distribution center. These relays are the only thing that looks different from pictures I see of distribution centers on other coaches. I'm searching in the dark here!!!:banghead::banghead:

1Motorhome 08-20-2019 04:44 PM

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OK found this slide out wiring diagram on 2002 Georgie boy. It does not show a separate controller anywhere??? If this is accurate I could hunt for a controller til the cows come home and not find it?!?!?!

153stars 08-20-2019 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Motorhome (Post 4918973)
Is that a circuit breaker between the two relays?? Excuse my ignorance but I'm not an electrical person.

Coachman told me on the phone that the Controller should be in the Electrical compartment near the power distribution center. These relays are the only thing that looks different from pictures I see of distribution centers on other coaches. I'm searching in the dark here!!!:banghead::banghead:

Yes its like a self resetting fuse , but works more like an old school turn signal flasher . It heats up with too much current ,bimetal part bends to open a contact. Cools it closes and resets. I have many in my elct. bay. Cars have smaller versions for things like electric seats and windows.

SteveNJanet 08-24-2019 09:27 AM

My slide controller location
 
I had my slide controller fail a couple of years ago. My mechanic found it located under a clothes closet that is across from the bathroom in the hall that runs between the bedroom and kitchen.

It was actually at floor level behind a drawer that is located below the clothes closet. The battery charger is near to it and this was behind my 110 volt and 12 volt systems fuse panels.

The mechanic had to remove the drawer completely to see the controller.

Hope this helps.

1Motorhome 08-26-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveNJanet (Post 4924694)
I had my slide controller fail a couple of years ago. My mechanic found it located under a clothes closet that is across from the bathroom in the hall that runs between the bedroom and kitchen.

It was actually at floor level behind a drawer that is located below the clothes closet. The battery charger is near to it and this was behind my 110 volt and 12 volt systems fuse panels.

The mechanic had to remove the drawer completely to see the controller.

Hope this helps.

I have removed all drawers and searched every nook and cranny inside and outside. No signs of a controller!!

We just got back from another camping trip and the slides worked flawless. The only change I have made was replaced the 5 pin wall rocker switch.
I am beginning to think that based on the schematic I posted above that it is a direct feed to motor and there is no controller?!?!?:eek:


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