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Idleup 06-15-2011 06:44 AM

My New Tiffin Breeze - Mike Mas
 
http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b1.jpg

Hello Forum Members - just came back from Florida to pick up our new Tiffin breeze, I have a lot of information to share on this new coach which I'll be posting on this thread should someone be thinking about one of these . Here's a few images I shot to include a shot by our Sportchassis which nearly as long for size comparison.

Thanks - Mike


http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b1.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b2.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b3.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b4.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b5.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b6.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b7.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b7A.JPG

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/b8.JPG

Idleup 06-15-2011 06:48 AM

With regard to the Maxxforce engine, it really surprised me, off the line the engine is as perky if not more perky than my 6.7 Cummins was in a 36 ft Journey. Also, no problem passing and jumping on expressways, by the time you hit the end of the acceleration ramp you're doing 60-65. Where you have to watch it is unlike say a 8.3 Cummins where you can just drive and not really worry about hills, with the Maxxforce when you see a hill coming up you'll what to hit the bottom with a good head of speed to top it at 55+. Actually, the Maxxforce has good torque because it's really a 300 Hp 660 ft pound engine that is turned down to 220 hp at 560 ft lbs, so it's loafing at the de-rated settings.

With regard to mileage, unlike some of the rumors you'll hear, I don't think you'll see 15 mpg, I checked it three times and averaged from 10.5 to 11.6, I was driving the coach at 55-62 mph during a break-in ride back home with almost 1000 miles total. It might get better as time goes on but I think 12 is going to be my target.

Dixieray53 06-15-2011 07:24 AM

Welcome to the forum..:flowers: Great looking rig...:thumb:Post some pics of the inside...Peace and Safe Travels...D :dance:

Idleup 06-15-2011 10:39 AM

It's definitely like a sports car size motor home. The overall length is around 30 ft (29.7) with the mirrors and ladder - if you remove the ladder and fold the mirror she's a just about 28 feet. This makes it nice for the guy with a 12 ft garage door with 30 ft depth. The height is published at 11.2".

Also keep in mind this is "Not" a wide body coach, she measures exactly 8 feet so it's a little bit nicer on narrow roads or when sandwiched between two semis.

Sumar 06-15-2011 02:46 PM

Idelup....great looking coach! Good luck! Keep us posted on how you like it.
I have one ordered now but will not get it till the mid July..but love to hear about others experiences.
Safe travels! Sue

Idleup 06-15-2011 07:40 PM

One thing about the Breeze is because of its small size, there is limited storage as well. I've already made three changes to my compartments. First and most important, the passenger side compartment was partially blocked with the vacuum system so I engineered a way to move the unit towards the top of the compartment which was blocked by the frame. This really opened the area so that large items could pass though to the other side. I installed topper tape to the bottom of the unit to isolate it from the steel wall and screwed it to the top using the mounting tabs. The existing intake hose and wiring easily accommodated the move.

Next, The extension ladder was clogging up and taking valuable space so I found a place behind the radiator where I'll make a few support brackets therefore freeing up the space in the belly.

Finally, Tiffin put a cover over the black and grey tank area which I removed, did a little re-routing of the wires and believe it or not there is a couple of good size spaces to store some smaller items.

Here's a few images to show how the work was accomplished.


http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bc1.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bc2.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bc3.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bc4.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bc5.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bc6.jpg

micd 06-15-2011 08:42 PM

Send your ideas to Tiffin
 
Send your ideas and pics. to Tiffin. Maybe they will incorporate some of them and make a better use of the limited space.

It's nice to see that it is not a widebody.

Can you post pics of the interior? Also the main thing I hear about this coach is no real closet or wardrobe. How are you utilizing the interior storage?

Thanks,
Michelle

Idleup 06-16-2011 07:08 AM

Michelle,

Thanks for the reply - I'll get some interior images up soon - for it's size there's plenty of storage on the interior however almost no hanging closets - there is two small closets over the nightstands however even they are difficult to get into thanks to some unnecessary window treatment which hangs out some 6" making it difficult to open the doors, load the closets, and most important to walk around the bed. Seems like the treatment was designed for a wide body however with the 96" width the window treatment is a real problem.

Sumar 06-16-2011 08:56 AM

Thanks for that insight....you have some good ideas...I wonder if those window treatments are able to be removed and somehow smaller more shallow ones be put on instead. Will have to think about that.
Was also wondering if your parking lights are working..have read a few posts where they have not been.

micd 06-16-2011 10:13 AM

What do you think of the u-shaped dinette?
 
When I first saw the floor plan I loved it until I realized that the really big u-shaped dinette probably was taking up space that could have held a wardrobe if you moved the refrigerator forward and put in a more normal sized dinette. Having lived with it what are your thoughts? Is there some great benefit to having the dinette that shape and size that I haven't realized yet?

How functional is the floor plan when the slider is in?

I had tried to see a Breeze at our local RV show in Denver as they had advertised one would be there but when we got there apparently someone had bought it before the show so we didn't get to see it.

Sounds like they made a poor trade off in giving up about a foot of space in the bedroom to the window treatments. But I'm sure you will find a great work around.

Michelle

Idleup 06-16-2011 04:22 PM

Here's a few Interior shots of the Breeze (some generic)

Enjoy Mike

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi1.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi2.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/BI5A.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi3.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi4.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi5.jpg

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi6.jpg

Our Seat!!

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/bi7.jpg

Idleup 06-16-2011 04:38 PM

With regard to the interior, I really like the look and placement, there's plenty of room with the slide in or out and it does not feel cramped or tight in any way.

The few changes I would make is to put even a thin closet in by the bathroom / bedroom - they could steal a foot from the large kitchen counter and never miss it. Also, I would take a 6-8" off the width of the counter so when the slide is in, there is more room to walk aft. Also, with that large amount of counter space there is no need for a hidden faucet / sink assembly there is tons of counter space. I heard from Tiffin the 2012 model will have a new sink.
There was a major problem with the "round" shower door however since ours was built a few weeks ago, we have the new straight shower door in ours.

The window treatment is a major set-back - aside from blocking the bedroom / closet access, it's even a problem in the big dinette because they infringe on the seating area. Also when someone orders the extra TV by the dash, they should "86" the one over the dinette because it is no longer needed and it also hangs over the dinette.

All in all, I'm still happy with the coach - no coach rolls off the assembly line perfect and the Breeze is no exception. I can say they are addressing the problems.

rossbev 06-18-2011 07:10 AM

Since the Breeze has a short wheelbase, how does it handle in high winds and being passed by 18 wheelers?

Idleup 06-21-2011 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rossbev (Post 882165)
Since the Breeze has a short wheelbase, how does it handle in high winds and being passed by 18 wheelers?

It's not bad at all - remember this coach for it's size is pretty heavy for 28 ft. (22-23K) In addition, the coach is low (11.2") so it has a lower CG than most 12-13 ft high coaches which are more top heavy.

Thanks - Mike

Dedie 06-21-2011 08:01 PM

Thanks for the ideas---think I will have hubby move or vac as well----we have made some modifications to ours as well...any ideas of what o do with the plumbing pipes that partially block the passenger slide out?? We have passed 12 mpg while towing and average has been about 11.8 and that is after almost 6000 miles--we love our breeze and are hopeful that as it breaks in we may average over 12--
compared to our previous 36 footer which got 8 on a good day, we are thrilled. Think about it, many suvs on the road don't get more than 15 mpg!!

tom 6118 06-21-2011 08:11 PM

OK.....how much?

Idleup 06-23-2011 07:26 AM

With regard to the vent pipe it can be moved to the wall, for some reason the installer was lazy and did not want to move the drill over.bas I mentioned the vent pipe just goes under the coach, I'm on a trip now but when I get back I'll invest age moving it out of the way alltogether.

When I get pulled over for a night I ll report on the new Allison transmission module I installed before this trip which allows you to downshift all 6 gears in the transmission instead of just only being able to shift Down to 4th.

Thanks

Mike

Sumar 06-23-2011 08:10 AM

Great Mike thanks for the update. Looking forward to hearing about the transmission. Enjoy the rest of your trip.
Sue

Idleup 06-24-2011 06:29 PM

Needless to say while driving home and going through so mountains in GA and VA when I found out that when I hit the up down arrows all the transmission did was to only downshift to 4th gear I was really disappointed. I never owned a motorhome that I could not down shift the transmission.

I immediately called Tiffin and found out the Allison guy was programming modules. In a few days mine arrived in time for this trip and I installed it myself. While the mode still does not work, I am able to shift and hold any gear I like now. Right after I installed it, she did shift rough going into 4 & 5 gears however after 30 minutes or so the adaptive system learned what it needed to and started shifting very smooth again.

By the way the module is located on the frame directly adjacent the transmission on the passenger side. There is three bolts that hold it to the bracket and one bolt that secures the plug to the module. Be sure to keep your old module until you put some miles on the coach just in case there is problem you can switch it back. Make sure you use some jack stands under the hitch for safety since a sudden loss of air pressure will instantly lower the coach while you are under it.

Enjoy

Mike

Idleup 06-25-2011 09:23 PM

Quick question for any Breeze owners - are you having any squeak or popping sounds from your slide as the coach is moving? Mine was squeaking and now it making a wood creaking sound (driving me nuts).

They went with a new slide system on the Breeze which uses four motors to draw the slide in. I read somewhere the motors are in the wall itself!

Thanks

Sumar 06-26-2011 04:04 PM

Mike if you go on the TRVN board, (the Tiffin Board), there are quite a few Breeze owners that are having a DS squeek, rattle problem. There is evidentally a fix for it, placing a bracket in a certain place. Red Bay factory would mail one to your dealer with instructions where to install it.

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Idleup 06-28-2011 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumar (Post 888889)
Mike if you go on the TRVN board, (the Tiffin Board), there are quite a few Breeze owners that are having a DS squeek, rattle problem. There is evidentally a fix for it, placing a bracket in a certain place. Red Bay factory would mail one to your dealer with instructions where to install it.

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Sue

Thanks for the link I posted some info on that board as well.!

Mike

Idleup 06-28-2011 10:20 AM

I know there's a lot of chatter concerning both the unwanted noise and most of all how the new in-wall Schwintek slide wall system works. I recommend that all you Breeze (Tiffin) owners using this system to watch this video since it provides an insight on how the system works, to include how to override the electronics system and also how to manually disengage the motors should you be stuck somewhere with the room open.

Also, should you have problems the phone number for Schwintek 1-866-524-7821

YouTube - ‪Schwintek In-Wall Slide System (Trouble Shooting Tips) By Lippert Components.‬‏

YouTube - ‪Understanding A Schwintek In-Wall Slide System‬‏


Here's a PDF manual for the Breeze slide - (thanks to Bill) I highly recommend that you print this and keep it in your coach where in the event of a failure, you'll have two options (electrical and mechanical) to push the room back in.

http://www.rotory.com/rv/breeze/breezeslide.pdf



Enjoy

Mike

Cthayer5 07-30-2011 03:05 PM

Tiffin Breeze 32 BR
 
We are having the transmission reprogrammed in our Breeze next week to correct the problems with downshifting. Can anyone advise on how this will affect mpg?

Thanks!! (Love this site!)

Christi

DriVer 07-30-2011 07:06 PM

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gkgeiger 09-22-2011 04:52 PM

New guy here. I'd like to revive this thread since I'm really hot for one of these. I think I know the good, what I want to hear is the bad. Then I can determine if I can live with it. I'm moving up from a Navion Sprinter which I love, but my needs have changed. I need more room. I don't expect the same MPG but I would hope that it pulls as strong as my Sprinter, and it rides and handles well. I have been amazed at how well that little 3.0lt V6 diesel works. It rarely has to down shift on any hill pulling a trailer. I cruise at 65 mph on the Interstates and it easily maintanes 62-63 up hill. I know this sounds like an MB commercial but I just want you to know what I'm comparing to.

Idleup 09-23-2011 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gkgeiger (Post 965248)
New guy here. I'd like to revive this thread since I'm really hot for one of these. I think I know the good, what I want to hear is the bad. Then I can determine if I can live with it. I'm moving up from a Navion Sprinter which I love, but my needs have changed. I need more room. I don't expect the same MPG but I would hope that it pulls as strong as my Sprinter, and it rides and handles well. I have been amazed at how well that little 3.0lt V6 diesel works. It rarely has to down shift on any hill pulling a trailer. I cruise at 65 mph on the Interstates and it easily maintanes 62-63 up hill. I know this sounds like an MB commercial but I just want you to know what I'm comparing to.

There's no doubt the Breeze has some issues to work out but there's really no other choice in a small pusher. While the slide is driving me nuts - I leaned a few tricks to keep somewhat quieter. Other than that, if you like Sprinter then you'll love the Breeze - its a real diesel pusher without the hassles of a giant box going down the road - it's only 11 high = 8 feet wide and 26 feet long - you can go places you even dream about in a normal coach. It's like your Sprinter except you're not bumping into walls to trying to use the thing.

Thanks - Mike

Sumar 09-23-2011 08:02 AM

Gkgeiger..keep in mind there are 2 breeze models..the 28 and the 32, neither of those numbers reflecting the actual length of the units.
I have the 32 , and believe it is 2" over the 33 mark.
Like all first year models, there are challenges to overcome. One is the noisy DS. I have one of the " fixes"', and although I travel over some pretty horrible road conditions, for the most part it is quiet.
It seems like we've all had some QA issues, which Tiffin on the most part is there to help you solve.
I am not very knowledgeable about engine power, and torque, but I'm sure some of the guys will chime in..there is another thread on this board re: breeze power going up hills which you might like to read.
The bedroom is " tight" no matter which model you choose. However the 32 does have a bit more storage space.
I have been told the 32 does handle differently than the 28. I don't know, as I've never driven a 28 so can't compare. However there are changes being made continuously on the production line so I do think they are working some " bugs" out.
Sorry I can't really disclose any " bad" stuff. Besides the noisy slides and some scattered QA matters, I feel there is not much to not love.
The engine power is less than the 40 ft. DP I had before, and there are no exhaust brakes, but so far all has been okay. A gal with a 28 just did a 3500 mile trip foam California thru B C, and she was happy the way her " baby" handled.
It does have a wimpy " bicycle " horn, no Hadley horns...:sad:
Good luck with your research,
Sue

Sumar 09-23-2011 08:21 AM

Did think of one really " bad" feature....it seems like there is problems for an oil change. The engine of course is under the bed, but the access to it is horrible.
Now I have heard that an oil change has been done by accessing it by reaching over the engine on the 28 from the outside, but on the 32 that is impossible.
So some have designed hatch doors under their beds to get to it.
I also did hear that in the 2012 models they are producing them with a door in place under the bed..however one guy went to the Hershey show and checked out the 2012 model, no hatch door. But that could have been an early one off the assembly line, and they have rectified it since then.
Oh and also the bathroom cabinet right over the sink has posed a problem for some the there's not enough room to brush your teeth good without the cabinet being in the way. Has not posed much of a problem for us..
Check it out if you see a model.
Lol....also on your 2012 model, you will get a regular sink, 2011 ones have the smaller flip up top one...however check out the silverware drawer on the left of the sink. Your forks/ knives may not fit well in horizontal position, like the dividers are.
Are there deal breakers for you? Only you know.
Ok, now I'm done...the " good, bad and ugly" has been exposed!
Have fun hunting!
Sue

gkgeiger 09-23-2011 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idleup (Post 965662)
There's no doubt the Breeze has some issues to work out but there's really no other choice in a small pusher. While the slide is driving me nuts - I leaned a few tricks to keep somewhat quieter. Other than that, if you like Sprinter then you'll love the Breeze - its a real diesel pusher without the hassles of a giant box going down the road - it's only 11 high = 8 feet wide and 26 feet long - you can go places you even dream about in a normal coach. It's like your Sprinter except you're not bumping into walls to trying to use the thing.

Thanks - Mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumar (Post 965688)
Gkgeiger..keep in mind there are 2 breeze models..the 28 and the 32, neither of those numbers reflecting the actual length of the units.
I have the 32 , and believe it is 2" over the 33 mark.
Like all first year models, there are challenges to overcome. One is the noisy DS. I have one of the " fixes"', and although I travel over some pretty horrible road conditions, for the most part it is quiet.
It seems like we've all had some QA issues, which Tiffin on the most part is there to help you solve.
I am not very knowledgeable about engine power, and torque, but I'm sure some of the guys will chime in..there is another thread on this board re: breeze power going up hills which you might like to read.
The bedroom is " tight" no matter which model you choose. However the 32 does have a bit more storage space.
I have been told the 32 does handle differently than the 28. I don't know, as I've never driven a 28 so can't compare. However there are changes being made continuously on the production line so I do think they are working some " bugs" out.
Sorry I can't really disclose any " bad" stuff. Besides the noisy slides and some scattered QA matters, I feel there is not much to not love.
The engine power is less than the 40 ft. DP I had before, and there are no exhaust brakes, but so far all has been okay. A gal with a 28 just did a 3500 mile trip foam California thru B C, and she was happy the way her " baby" handled.
It does have a wimpy " bicycle " horn, no Hadley horns...:sad:
Good luck with your research,
Sue


Mike and Sue,
Thanks for the reply. I'm actually considering a 32'. I'm also looking at the Vesta and the Serrano. I wasn't necessarily looking at a DP (although I think it would be quieter) but rather an economical compact class A. I think I can live with the bedroom. I drove one at the Hershey show and it still had the slide noises. I didn't get to try it in the hills for power but I've read everything on this forum and it appears that some are happy with the power and some feel it's lacking. As I stated in my earlier post I couldn't have been more impressed with my Sprinters ability to climb hills and pull a load. If this thing is as good (should be better) I'll be thrilled. Thanks again and if you have anything to add please do.
Gene


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