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Old 09-22-2018, 11:24 PM   #1
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New Horizon a True Four Season Coach?

Hey all...

Does anyone know if the new Horizon is a true four season coach with all/any waterlines protected from sub freezing temperatures with slides in or out.

If memory serves, the waterlines for the kitchen area slide come up thru the floor pretty much in the center of the coach so those look safe. It would be the bathroom and laundry that concerns me.

We have a new Discovery LXE on order but may have to cancel it and go for the Horizon after having learned the Discovery has a heated bay but some exposed water lines that could freeze with slides extended.

We don't anticipate driving thru blizzards and super cold temps but have to be in areas where night time temps could dip into the lower 20s or maybe even lower at times.

Thanks in advance for any input.
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Your water lines and tankage are all protected in a heated basement. Your concerns about the bathrooms, laundry and kitchen areas are noted but they should not be an issue. Water lines are normally PEX and it is highly resistant to freezing. Faucets and fixtures are all in interior, heated space.

Anyway, unless you are planning to camp in for extended periods in sub-zero weather, you would be fine in either coach.
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Old 09-23-2018, 03:40 PM   #3
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Thanks LuvLabs...

No, not sub zero, but definitely sub freezing, at least at night.

We live outside of Denver (a once great city that is now way too crowded, BTW) and there is a chance that certain days will have highs in the upper 40s and 50s with lows that can dip well below freezing at night.

The Fleetwood we ordered has some exposure issues and I have heard that anything below 30 degrees could cause issues. Sales reps all said no problem with super cold temps while we are awaiting a response from FW...but from what I can tell from others, FW will say it is more of a warm(er) weather coach.

That is a deal breaker for me.

We almost ordered the Horizon when we were looking but went with the FW.

Based on what I learn tomorrow, we may be ordering up a Horizon now.
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Thanks LuvLabs...

No, not sub zero, but definitely sub freezing, at least at night.

We live outside of Denver (a once great city that is now way too crowded, BTW) and there is a chance that certain days will have highs in the upper 40s and 50s with lows that can dip well below freezing at night.

The Fleetwood we ordered has some exposure issues and I have heard that anything below 30 degrees could cause issues. Sales reps all said no problem with super cold temps while we are awaiting a response from FW...but from what I can tell from others, FW will say it is more of a warm(er) weather coach.

That is a deal breaker for me.

We almost ordered the Horizon when we were looking but went with the FW.

Based on what I learn tomorrow, we may be ordering up a Horizon now.
Are you going to be living in the coach full time or just periodic use during winter months.

Keeping things warm 24/7 in subfreezing temps is going to be very expensive.
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Not full time, but definitely in some colder temps on occasion.
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Waterlines originate in the interior where they can be protected by an RV's heat source, but they branch out to appliances in slides. Slides that are exposed to the elements. PEX will expand & contact with temperature changes making it freeze-resistant but it is not freeze-proof.

I don't know if there is a mfr that makes a coach without waterlines in slides anymore. They've all got appliances in slides it seems. If you can find one, that would be your best bet for being able to protect waterlines during times of extended below freezing temps.

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Not full time, but definitely in some colder temps on occasion.
So if you're not in it full time that means you must be planning to winterize it in the fall? Removing all water from the cold and hot water systems?

When you decide to use the coach in subzero temps are you thinking you want to dewinterize it and fill it with water then go out camping? When you get back home you will winterize it all over again?

Obviously this could be done but unless you plan to heat the coach full time you should probably plan to get all the water out of it for winter. Trying to put water into or remove water from a coach at 20f can be very problematic.
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So if you're not in it full time that means you must be planning to winterize it in the fall? Removing all water from the cold and hot water systems?

When you decide to use the coach in subzero temps are you thinking you want to dewinterize it and fill it with water then go out camping? When you get back home you will winterize it all over again?

Obviously this could be done but unless you plan to heat the coach full time you should probably plan to get all the water out of it for winter. Trying to put water into or remove water from a coach at 20f can be very problematic.
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No, not winterizing needed. We have an enclosed and climate controlled space in which to store our coach. And won't be in sub zero temps, just sub freezing.

So no winterizing and then de-winterizing.

I understand how water lines in slides work, are designed, etc. I am looking to see if anyone knows if the lines in a Horizon (in this case) are truly protected, insulated, etc. to protect against freezing, slides in or out and in relatively cold temps down to the 20s or so.

Some coaches are adequately protected by the manufacturer while others are not.

I am just trying to find out from any Horizon owners their own experience.
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Since the Horizon has been for sale for less than a year, I doubt two things - enough Horizon owners who post on forums to give you an answer and enough Horizon owners who have actually gone through a winter.

I would call Winnebago and ask to talk with the Marketing Manager for the Horizon product line. I'll bet you get your answers and maybe even a chat with an engineer or two who can help you understand what has been done design wise to prevent problems.

If you really want owner feedback, wait for two more years when enough of these things are on the road to get some information that is valid.
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i have a 2006 36 ft horizon. i use small 350 watt electric heaters in all the compartments where there are water lines. i fasten then down with plumbers tape.
for the most part, winnebago has insulated compartments, excluding the sewer valve bay. even that has some heat in it from the furnace. i insulated that as well as i could, and added a heater.

you have to remember that there are traps and lines under the shower, and behind the washer that you cant normally see.

i put one behind the water heater in the compartment, and spliced a short auto heater fluid hose from a line off the engine to provide extra heat when traveling, since i cant get into the girard tankless heater with a heater.
i try to cover all the angles, but i know there may come a time when that wont be enough.

i have been out in sub zero weather several weeks without freezing up.
btw, an electric blanket can save your life. my wife almost killed me because it was so cold in the motor home. with all the heaters, it is now livable, not warm, but livable.

i dont do this for recreation, i travel on my job with hwh corp.

when traveling, i run the generator to provide electric. i know that a bit pricy, but if you need the heat, you need the heat.
its cheaper than repairing a freeze up.

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