This morning I woke up wondering why there are so many people chucking wood on a few simple observations about a toilet, which I don't think most of us, maybe all of us, were aware of until now:
* A $250, porcelain, residential toilet, that is 24" deep, and 16" high, is now available at Home Depot. Plus it LOOKS GREAT!
So I started to gather more information and reviewed the Sublime II spec's and think: "Hey, maybe this Sublime II toilet will work in my RV?'
...Which would be great in the event my Concerto toilet failed when I was traveling on the road?
* And the conclusion a this point is this: We will not know if a Sublime II toilet will work in an RV until I, or someone else on this forum, decides to install it or in the very least conduct a "test case."
Consequently, until this happens, then everything you hear and read is just "noise." ...Including my hope that it will work!
What kind of "test case?" I proposed the simple idea of just placing the toilet on the floor of the bathroom, on a towel, without hooking it up to a water source, which is non-destructive. ...Then go for a drive. ...Then we would either know if the Sublime II works or it doesn't?
I thought I would share this information with our community so they know a 24" deep toilet is now available at HD for only $250 vs. the cost of installing a Concerto for $1000+ (just for the toilet). Not to mention the burden of trying to fix a Concerto toilet when parts are so hard to come by and are expensive.
"NielV" says you should be concerned about "proprietary parts," but this is not true. The Sublime II flush valve is a newer style "canister" type flush valve and it's available everywhere... for cheap.
Further, if you look at the top of the Sublime II canister flush value you will it is no different than a Kolher model with "split-buttons."
Specifically, those hard, center tank plungers, activate your choice of flush modes. The split button on the left is 0.8 gal/flush and one on the right for 1.2gal/flush. So that is nice. It's simple. And it's reliable.
The parts are cheap and widely available too:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Subl...h=535&dpr=1.75
==>> And look! Thanks to this banter, we now see some vendors are trying to dump the Sublime II is $115 on Ebay. Albeit I bet there is probably an expensive shipping fee. So you need to investigate your purchase and return options. That's why HD maybe your best bet for $250... if the toilet works well installed in an RV? (TBD)
The Sublime II clearly looks good! ...And call me a Willie fan, who likes to smoke pot (both which are not true), but every once in a while you really should give a "stoner thought" a second look. And I think this idea, of installing a residential toilet, in an RV, is one of those times!
My complaints with the feedback (and general concerns when dealing with the John Q.) have to do with people who like to chuck wood and then use false claims to make their case. This "tactic" is annoying and do nothing to help prove or disprove a good idea. And IMO, this "group think" of the worse persuasive kind. [Mod Edit]
For example: Proprietary toilet seats might be a buy-concern, butt my toilet seat lasts 10-15 years. And I'm a heavy a "fatty!" So, at this stage in the game, I certainly think I will expire before the Sublime II seat brakes.
...But even if it does break, you can repair the rear the seat hinges, and you can re-use the seat. I just did this to my Concerto proprietary seat by keeping the seat and buying a $25 new toilet seat at HD. And all I did was remove the hardware and hinge and then screw it to my Concerto seat... and wallah... "back in business!"
Therefore, rhetoric like a proprietary seat is not a "go or no go" buy decision. And neither is the canister flush valve; which for the record is NOT a pressure assisted valve.
IMO, installing the Sublime II comes down to A) installation; and B) toilet p-trap / air gap functionality, which is only a factor when you drive.
Good news regarding installation: If you look at the Sublime II pictures there are 2 holes in the base of the toilet, so anchoring the toilet to the floor might be real easy if you can add a few 4" bolts that can be tightened from under your basement. (TBD) Anyway, I'm optimistic the installation of this toilet can be managed and may be a "drop-in" replacement to the Concerto. (TBD)
What I do believe, is that this 1-piece, Sublime II toilet, is the first toilet to EVER come along that may work in an RV? So why are all Naysayers chucking wood at a good idea? Answer: I think it has to do with "Human Nature!"
So yes... I think this post is entertaining or boring or insulting. It all depends on your nature and attitudes. But, surely, you can admit the Joey and Woodchuck commercials are funny? ...And the shoe does seem to fit! ...But the primary purpose of sharing this information with you, about the Sublime II toilet, is call to your attention to an alternative vs. servicing the Concerto toilet; and/or to give you an upgrade toilet option to a plastic RV toilet, that only costs $250 and a little ingenuity.
On the flip side, "Richard5933" is right, because I did beg the question: " Why can't I install a residential toilet?
Dog...
...It was a rhetorical question! ...But I can see why some of you took it literally.
So to all who feel I may have insulted you, please accept my apologies and "unsubscribe" from this thread.
As for the rest of us who hope the time has come, when we can now install a residential toilet for less than a plastic toilet, and make our partner's happy-happy, let's see what happens. Right now I'm 90% confident a residential toilet will work for my needs; and I may just remove my working Concerto and install a Sublime II this summer instead of waiting for my Concerto to break, which it will, and at the worst time.
Anyway, don't pick up my RV until this summer, which is when I will have time to work on it, because I live 4,000 miles away! So you'll have to wait a while if you expect me to give you a thumbs-up or down on this whole Sublime II toilet idea. Until then, to all, especially you Naysayers, I hope enjoy this: