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01-21-2016, 06:28 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
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2016 Ventana LE??
Hello everyone,
This is my first post, although I have been reading this forum for a while and have gained a wealth of information. So thanks to everyone and I hope someday I will be able to make a difference on this forum for someone as well!
My wife and I are seeking to buy our first RV. We are selling our home and my wife is going into travel nursing, so we will be full timing it! Over the past 6 months or so I have been searching online high and low information about RVs and have narrowed it down to a Newmar. My wife and I took a trip to tour the plant in Indiana last week. It was great and we learned a lot!
Our house closing date is Feb. 29th (I am going to miss this log home!) It is very quickly coming time for us to purchase the RV. I have found super great deals at RVOne Supercenters on a 2015 Ventana LE 38'. They also have a 2016 40' that I am looking at. So here is my question...
Does anyone know if the 40' Ventana Le for 2016 has a tow of 10,000lbs? I think it has the 360hp ISB and it also has the 3000 Allison trans. Therefore it should be rated at 10,000lbs tow. I am planning to tow a 2014 Harley Ultra Limited (880lbs) and a 2012 Hyaundai sonata (3,200lbs) and the dolly that tows it all (800lbs). I have been looking at all the weight limits of both RVs and I think they both would work, although pushing the 2015 LE to its limit. Any information about these vehicles would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for any help!
Dave
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01-21-2016, 06:35 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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I own a 2016 Ventana LE 4002. All LE models have a 5000lb hitch.
Make sure you pay attention to loading as well. The new LE has very little room for load on the front axle. With a full tank of fuel, propane and two passengers, you become limited on cargo.
I'm not sounding an alarm, but simply giving you more data to make an educated decision.
I am a part-timer and having a light amount of cargo with three passengers puts me very close to the limit of the front axle.
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01-21-2016, 07:01 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unw1red
I own a 2016 Ventana LE 4002. All LE models have a 5000lb hitch.
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Thanks unw1red! I don't know why they did that when the Ventana has the same set up as this in the past, and it was rated at 10,000lb tow. I wonder if I can upgrade the hitch. The weak point on the older Le was the 2500 trans, but if they are putting in a 3000 on the 40' with a 360hp motor then it should be good to go? They say they upgraded the frame as well??
I will also revisit the loading factors as well.
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01-21-2016, 07:12 AM
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Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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The hitch is identical to the 10,000lb on the higher models. It has been rated lower by Newmar to fall within specs.
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01-21-2016, 08:23 AM
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Location: Madison, MS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unw1red
I own a 2016 Ventana LE 4002. All LE models have a 5000lb hitch.
Make sure you pay attention to loading as well. The new LE has very little room for load on the front axle. With a full tank of fuel, propane and two passengers, you become limited on cargo.
I'm not sounding an alarm, but simply giving you more data to make an educated decision.
I am a part-timer and having a light amount of cargo with three passengers puts me very close to the limit of the front axle.
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Correct me if this is wrong, but the 2015 VTDP does not have the front axle problem, right?
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01-21-2016, 08:42 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edgray
Correct me if this is wrong, but the 2015 VTDP does not have the front axle problem, right?
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Try not to misconstrue my message. I am not comparing this to the 2016 DS and VT with tag axle. I cannot speak for the 2015 model as all my research and data pertains to my and a few friend's 2016 VTLE.
The GVWR, in my opinion, can never be reached without overloading the front axle by thousands of pounds. With only me (300lbs), a full propane and ~40 gallons of diesel (water weight was insignificant at the time of weighing), I have about 700lbs left on my front axle before I hit the 12,400lb rating.
When I add my wife, daughter and 60 more gallons of fuel, I am over the weight limit and still ~3,000lbs under GVWR. I have a slide tray in the middle basement compartment and nothing in the storage behind entrance door. I have shifted as much weight to the rear as possible (I may have 100lbs I can still rearrange) and still cannot have all my tanks full for boondocking.
I am thinking about reviewing with Newmar.
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01-21-2016, 09:54 AM
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Location: Parkland, Florida
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2015 Ventana
You may want to look at a remaining 2015 Ventana on a dealer's lot instead of the LE. The Ventana's have 10,000 lbs (GCWR minus GVWR). The under 40ft models have a 380HP engine while the 40 and 43 models have 400HP. You should be able to get a larger $$ discount on a 2015.
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01-21-2016, 09:08 PM
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Unw1red, when you posted your weights last year you recorded a front axle weight of about 11360 lbs with a full diesel tank and just you on board. The weights you mention above seem quite different. What has changed if anything in the meantime.
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01-22-2016, 09:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unw1red
Try not to misconstrue my message. I am not comparing this to the 2016 DS and VT with tag axle. I cannot speak for the 2015 model as all my research and data pertains to my and a few friend's 2016 VTLE.
The GVWR, in my opinion, can never be reached without overloading the front axle by thousands of pounds. With only me (300lbs), a full propane and ~40 gallons of diesel (water weight was insignificant at the time of weighing), I have about 700lbs left on my front axle before I hit the 12,400lb rating.
When I add my wife, daughter and 60 more gallons of fuel, I am over the weight limit and still ~3,000lbs under GVWR. I have a slide tray in the middle basement compartment and nothing in the storage behind entrance door. I have shifted as much weight to the rear as possible (I may have 100lbs I can still rearrange) and still cannot have all my tanks full for boondocking.
I am thinking about reviewing with Newmar.
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I'm not trying to misconstrue anything. I only mentioned the difference between 2015 and 2016 models because the OP said he was considering both.
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01-22-2016, 09:22 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: NW Arkansas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nzbelle
Unw1red, when you posted your weights last year you recorded a front axle weight of about 11360 lbs with a full diesel tank and just you on board. The weights you mention above seem quite different. What has changed if anything in the meantime.
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The first weight I took was askew. I had the steer overlapping slightly onto the drive scale. My accurate weight sheet is posted below. This is with ~40 gallons of fuel, a full propane tank, ~35 gallons of fresh water, black and grey tanks empty, and myself onboard with my part-time load in the basement compartments. I also have a slide in the middle basement compartment.
For your reading enjoyment.
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01-22-2016, 11:51 AM
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Newmar Owners Club
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Hi lionofjuda,
Consider going to Newmar and taking a look at the brochures for the coaches you are considering. The answers to your questions are in the specifications pages. Try this link:
http://www.newmarcorp.com/resources/brochures/
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01-23-2016, 02:28 AM
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Junior Member
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Unw1red, in your LE 4002 do you have the optional 8kw generator and the residential refrigerator? I imagine they might add a few hundred pounds to the front axle weight.
We are thinking of getting a 2017 LE 4002 so I hope any weight issues are sorted out before then.
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01-23-2016, 05:46 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: NW Arkansas
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We do have the residential fridge with the extra batteries. Standard generator.
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01-23-2016, 09:28 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
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OK finally got the info from the Newmar rep. The Ventana Le is still rated at 5000lbs tow. The 2016 brochure had nothing about the tow weights. Thanks for everyones response!
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