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taratiffin · 03-11-2020, 07:39 AM

Just read what was going to be new on the 2021 Allegro Bus. I thought it was interesting that it would have a steerable tag, 360 camera system, and a water saving system in the shower. I have had all of these now for a year.

Ricci · 03-11-2020, 08:09 AM

Hi Bill - I noticed that over on TRVN as well. Product research seems to be looking at what other builders did last year and tagging it on. "Consumer Engineering- Red Bay Style". Did you see the price lists? The boys are really leaving Bob's values in the dust. Glad to be on this side of the street.

Tom

DKRITTER · 03-11-2020, 08:25 AM

You know how to find a Burger King?

Look for a McDonald's.

Dutch Star Don · 03-11-2020, 11:00 AM

I think they've always gone back and forth. Tiffin had the façade side walls two years before Newmar followed along. Tiffin also offers their Spyder system in Allegro Bus, before Newmar offers the Silverleaf in the Dutch Star. I'm sure in a year or so, Tiffin will be offering an escape door. The back and forth is what draws one customer to one brand or another each new model year.

**NLOVNIT** · 03-11-2020, 12:19 PM

Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery. I believe Newmar invented the slide out, right? Now look, practically every RV has one. Years ago, American Coach debuted the exit door located behind the toilet in the rear bath. Newmar made it better by making it reusable. The 2020 Phaeton introduced the water saver in the shower, now it's trickling UP to the Bus.

Some things didn't work: Mid-engine diesels/mid bedroom layouts Newmar tried, proximity sensor light switches in Tiffins, 38ft+ floorplans on Fleetwood gas chassis, the railed/12ft patio that hinged down from the PS side of a coach (don't remember who tried that)...etc.

I think it's great when mfr's pick up on what another has had success with & integrates or even improves it. Keeps the market competitive.

Lori-

Cruzer · 03-11-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NLOVNIT

Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery. I believe Newmar invented the slide out, right? Now look, practically every RV has one. Years ago, American Coach debuted the exit door located behind the toilet in the rear bath. Newmar made it better by making it reusable. The 2020 Phaeton introduced the water saver in the shower, now it's trickling UP to the Bus.

Some things didn't work: Mid-engine diesels/mid bedroom layouts Newmar tried, proximity sensor light switches in Tiffins, 38ft+ floorplans on Fleetwood gas chassis, the railed/12ft patio that hinged down from the PS side of a coach (don't remember who tried that)...etc.

I think it's great when mfr's pick up on what another has had success with & integrates or even improves it. Keeps the market competitive.

Lori-

That was the Country Coach Veranda. Very short lived idea.

Ricci · 03-11-2020, 04:19 PM

Hi DSDon - Tiffin has an escape door. Not as good as Newmar or American but there none the less.

Tom

Rev. Roy · 03-12-2020, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch Star Don

I think they've always gone back and forth. Tiffin had the façade side walls two years before Newmar followed along. Tiffin also offers their Spyder system in Allegro Bus, before Newmar offers the Silverleaf in the Dutch Star. I'm sure in a year or so, Tiffin will be offering an escape door. The back and forth is what draws one customer to one brand or another each new model year.

Just saw a video showing Tiffin's new escape door. It flips down and the steps fold out. I like it better than Newmar's but not enough to make me buy one.

Ricci · 03-12-2020, 08:59 AM

Hi - I'd rather open a door and walk down some steps than move pillows and bedding out of the way, turn my body around and go down a wall (which has a high risk of screwing up the side of the coach if it is out of adjustment). Really Newmar did it right once they put the ladder in the mix.

Tom

ericllucas · 03-12-2020, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev. Roy

Just saw a video showing Tiffin's new escape door. It flips down and the steps fold out. I like it better than Newmar's but not enough to make me buy one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkOQAlF48U

Its clever. I bet if I were in a hurry, I'd slip and fall on my, um, arm. Yeah, I'd fall on my arm. I do think it is clever, nonetheless.

NCC-1701A · 03-12-2020, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NLOVNIT

I believe Newmar invented the slide out, right?

I believe they invented the powered slideout. I'd have to go back and look at my pictures from my visit to the RV Museum at the RV/MH Hall of Fame in Elkhart but there was a "camper car" there from very early in the 1900's with THREE slides! The back pushed out to make a bed space long enough to lay in and two side slides came out of that for storage and cooking stuff. They were on wooden dovetails as the slide mechanism. Pretty cool.

ericllucas · 03-12-2020, 05:46 PM

Americans have never been satisfied with the amount of space provided

<<offered in jest>>

wolfbayer · 01-05-2021, 08:29 PM

Just got my new 45 OPP Bus a few weeks ago. Overall its a gorgeous coach with lots of gadgets, some of them I haven't figured out yet.

The new water miser was giving me problems from day one. No manual and no markings on the water miser valve. I thought you turn the valve to the right and wait, but nothing happened, except the fresh water tank overfilled with hot water. Tiffin service said that impossible but I have proof a full hot water tank when I emptied it to get it down from 100% full.

Another real problem is the front TV lift. The lift door opens nicely, but only if the shades are up. Once the shades are down, you have a hell of a fight between the lift door and the shades. There is just no enough room for all three to come together. After a month, the night shade got eaten up by the TV lift mechanism and I had to take a pair of scissors to cut it out. Now all I have is a day shade, but I can live with that. It's for sure a faulty design.

A slightly dangerous condition exists when the front fireplace is on with the heat up. After an hour or so, the mantle gets too hot to touch and a child would definitely burn its fingers. The heat from the fireplace goes directly to the mantle underneath. I bought some one inch heatproof insulation and cut out a piece and glued it in. It solved most of the heating problem. Tiffin should to look into that as well.

Oh, I did call Bob Tiffin and he did call me back, though little can he do about my cutout night shade - unless I want to drive from Indio, California to Red Bay. May not be worth it.

Wolfbayer

Dutch Star Don · 01-06-2021, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfbayer

Just got my new 45 OPP Bus a few weeks ago. Overall its a gorgeous coach with lots of gadgets, some of them I haven't figured out yet.

The new water miser was giving me problems from day one. No manual and no markings on the water miser valve. I thought you turn the valve to the right and wait, but nothing happened, except the fresh water tank overfilled with hot water. Tiffin service said that impossible but I have proof a full hot water tank when I emptied it to get it down from 100% full.

Another real problem is the front TV lift. The lift door opens nicely, but only if the shades are up. Once the shades are down, you have a hell of a fight between the lift door and the shades. There is just no enough room for all three to come together. After a month, the night shade got eaten up by the TV lift mechanism and I had to take a pair of scissors to cut it out. Now all I have is a day shade, but I can live with that. It's for sure a faulty design.

A slightly dangerous condition exists when the front fireplace is on with the heat up. After an hour or so, the mantle gets too hot to touch and a child would definitely burn its fingers. The heat from the fireplace goes directly to the mantle underneath. I bought some one inch heatproof insulation and cut out a piece and glued it in. It solved most of the heating problem. Tiffin should to look into that as well.

Oh, I did call Bob Tiffin and he did call me back, though little can he do about my cutout night shade - unless I want to drive from Indio, California to Red Bay. May not be worth it.

Wolfbayer

If you're connected to water at the campground and use the shower miser, it's taking that water and recirculating it until it gets hot. It can't send it back to the campground, so it goes back into your onboard water tank. If your tank is full, you're going to force it out the overflow. It's just something you have to be aware of.

We find that we typically don't use the water miser when hooked up to utilities. We just let the water run until it's hot. It's only when we're boondocking that we want to conserve water and not unnecessarily fill our grey tanks, so we use the shower miser. Using your onboard water with the miser is not an issue.