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Old 06-01-2016, 03:16 PM   #1
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4018 Dutchstar with 2 a/c units

When I bought my 2016 4018 Dutchstar in November I asked my BFF salesman at North Trail RV why it only had 2 A/C units. My 40' Journey trade had 3. He said
the Newmar is better insulated and didn't need it..
In February while spending a couple monthes in Florida to get used to the new coach my rear A/C went out. Newmar support dispatched a repair man and a couple (3) weeks later the repairman came out with a new a/c unit and put it in.
All good. But when I was talking to support I asked why only 2 A/C units and he said that was the way it was ordered. I did not order it. He said they were adequate unless you are in Arizona in 90+ then it won't keep up. I have been i Texas the last 2 weeks
90+ and it is set on 72 and can't get below 76. I asked Newmar for a quote to install a 3rd A/C since we are going there anyway for odds and ends in August.
Got an interesting quote 3,500.00 for the A/C and 14,000 to upgrade the 8K gen set to 10k. This is necessary as my coach is all electric and the 8k won't run
3 A/Cs plus microwave, fridge etc if we are boondocking. We don't dry camp so
we went for the 3500.00 and will run it on shore power or shut it off if we are on the gen set and it is a problem. I am not complaining I didn't know better and my salesman wasn't forthcoming with the full story. And Newmar has been great
taking care of odds and ends.
The purpose of this is to make others aware before they buy so they have the information I didn't.
I am also getting the front end upgrade and didn't ask how much more the 10k weighed than the 8k
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When I bought my 2016 4018 Dutchstar in November I asked my BFF salesman at North Trail RV why it only had 2 A/C units. My 40' Journey trade had 3. He said
the Newmar is better insulated and didn't need it.....
Yep...sales people don't always talk straight.

Yes, Newmar has some of the best insulation in MHs but I've often wondered about the ends of the slide outs. Anyway...

A few ideas.

1. When you know it will get hot, lock the fans into HI.
2. Try to lead the heat by a little bit of pre-cooling.
3. If you aren't using external windshield sun blocking like Magna Shade or other similar products, you are missing a big chance to keep heat out.
4. Of course, use awnings as much as wind and rain allow.

We have 2 ACs on our 43' DSDP. We are parked for the next 6 weeks out in the sun of central IL with no shade. Wall temps get up to 80*+ on the sunny side of coach but by keeping the fans locked in high, it isn't too bad at all. However...if we loose and AC unit...
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Great info! I'm just ordering a 2017 4018 and there is no longer a 3rd A/C option, only the upgrade to the heat pumps. Are yours the Penguins?

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I am actually confused now. We are in the process of starting a build sheet for a Ventana 4369. The option for 3 Penguin 15k BTU A/C's w/heat pumps and an EMS is $2,594. Option number is 7H136.

We are also selecting the all electric coach option, which is number 7J550. A 10K generator is not listed as a requirement with these options. There is also no option for a 10k generator.

Is there a non-published requirement for a larger generator if you go with the 3 A/C's? Does the A/C upgrade come with the larger generator?

My head is spinning.
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We have 3 A/C's with an 8k generator and when we are on generator power we can only run 2 A/C's - you learn what you can use.
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Great info! I'm just ordering a 2017 4018 and there is no longer a 3rd A/C option, only the upgrade to the heat pumps. Are yours the Penguins?

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Yep...sales people don't always talk straight.

Yes, Newmar has some of the best insulation in MHs but I've often wondered about the ends of the slide outs. Anyway...

A few ideas.

1. When you know it will get hot, lock the fans into HI.
2. Try to lead the heat by a little bit of pre-cooling.
3. If you aren't using external windshield sun blocking like Magna Shade or other similar products, you are missing a big chance to keep heat out.
4. Of course, use awnings as much as wind and rain allow.

We have 2 ACs on our 43' DSDP. We are parked for the next 6 weeks out in the sun of central IL with no shade. Wall temps get up to 80*+ on the sunny side of coach but by keeping the fans locked in high, it isn't too bad at all. However...if we loose and AC unit...
Thanks for the tips! Much appreciated. I have to get the magna shade.
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We are taking delivery of our canyonstar 3914with two heat 13.5k pumps and a 5500 onan. Now I'm scared
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We are taking delivery of our canyonstar 3914with two heat 13.5k pumps and a 5500 onan. Now I'm scared

No need to be, we have a gasser right now with a 15 and a 13.5 with the same generator. No problems at all.
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We ordered a 2002 DSDP 4090 with two 13.5 heat pumps, optional (at that time) roof insulation package and dual pane windows. We did just fine in 90+ weather in Yuma with only one running.
We never felt the need for any more cooling in the rig.
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Just traded in my 2012 Canyon Star 3911 had 2 13.5k, live in Nevada if temp 95 and above would never get below 87 inside. Units would run all day till the sun went down. Bedroom would be cooler so I would put fan in bathroom blowing out to front helped a little. Will be picking up my new 2016 Ventana 4311 soon 3 units
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Just traded in my 2012 Canyon Star 3911 had 2 13.5k, live in Nevada if temp 95 and above would never get below 87 inside. Units would run all day till the sun went down. Bedroom would be cooler so I would put fan in bathroom blowing out to front helped a little. Will be picking up my new 2016 Ventana 4311 soon 3 units

Marcus,

By any chance did you ask about upgrading to a bigger generator? While not listed as an option, from everything I have read on here Newmar is pretty flexible on most items.

I find it weird that the DS 4369 3 ac option comes with a bigger generator, but not the Ventana.
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No coach builder insulates better than Newmar but.......a modern 40' multi slide unit needs three AC's. We were camping last weekend in high humidity but only high 80's and we turned on the third cooler for a little while. Just my opinion.
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We have 3 A/C's with an 8k generator and when we are on generator power we can only run 2 A/C's - you learn what you can use.
What happens when you try to use all three a/c? All three should only use 36-40 amps while running, generator puts out over 60 amps. Two units starting at the same time could be a problem but can't that be managed? Just got the third a/c installed with 8000 and no operating experience yet.
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